The all-new Land Rover Defender.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by andyxxx

I too have a FFRR.
JLR have not brought this car to market to compete with the FFRR, though I do realize a heavily specced 110 is crazy money.

it probably does compete. I go off road hardly ever and if i liked it i would have considered switching.

G wagon, RR, Defender can probably do pretty much any off road you would ever do and be luxury at the same time.

I agree it probably doesnt compete with other luxury SUV that are basically cars ...as almost all of them are

[andyxxx]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

it probably does compete. I go off road hardly ever and if i liked it i would have considered switching.

G wagon, RR, Defender can probably do pretty much any off road you would ever do and be luxury at the same time.

I agree it probably doesnt compete with other luxury SUV that are basically cars ...as almost all of them are

Yes - I am sure it will compete in respect to its off road ability with most other 4x4s and would expect it to be way better than the FFRR.

It’s not designed to compete as a high end luxury vehicle (which as you rightly say are mostly cars with off road ability) – JLR have the RR for that market and to a lesser extent the RRSport and Discovery.

Its starting price is half that of the RR and when the commercial 90 version comes out I expect it to be an even bigger margin.

[GB-man]

F it I laid a deposit. Might keep the Land Cruiser too depending on what the wife wants. I am 10th in line in my small market dealer. Apparently they took deposits from customers as far as 3 years ago lol. Still deciding whether to equip it or strip it.

[Flyinghunter]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

I need a stripper g wagon

I'll take one of each

[Mick006]

Is this the Land Rover P-01?

I have mixed feelings about it. Like the watch, it’s looks will probably grow on me.

[MichaelFlash]

Not a Land Rover fan. Pass...

[Roll the Lex]

Originally Posted by GB-man

F it I laid a deposit. Might keep the Land Cruiser too depending on what the wife wants. I am 10th in line in my small market dealer. Apparently they took deposits from customers as far as 3 years ago lol. Still deciding whether to equip it or strip it.

3yrs ago??? OK, no longer complaining about Rolex wait lists then...

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by Roll the Lex

3yrs ago??? OK, no longer complaining about Rolex wait lists then...

LR been teasing it for some time and everyone knew it was coming eventually. Just simple fully refundable deposits for 1k so nothing crazy.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by GB-man

F it I laid a deposit. Might keep the Land Cruiser too depending on what the wife wants. I am 10th in line in my small market dealer. Apparently they took deposits from customers as far as 3 years ago lol. Still deciding whether to equip it or strip it.

tough call.

i was doing builds of all 3 and if it was me i would just get the 110S and add a bunch of stuff to it.

got to get the explorer pack whatever you do


i haven't seen that much compelling about the 110X

as i have been playing around on the website with it a bit, i do like it more than first impression

[swils8610]

Originally Posted by GB-man

F it I laid a deposit. Might keep the Land Cruiser too depending on what the wife wants. I am 10th in line in my small market dealer. Apparently they took deposits from customers as far as 3 years ago lol. Still deciding whether to equip it or strip it.

Equip it!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

tough call.

i was doing builds of all 3 and if it was me i would just get the 110S and add a bunch of stuff to it.

got to get the explorer pack whatever you do


i haven't seen that much compelling about the 110X

as i have been playing around on the website with it a bit, i do like it more than first impression

Yeah the way I had the 110 hse equipped it was around 78k and the 110x was around 8k more. The big ticket item in the x is the full Windsor leather which is probably awesome I am guessing you might have it in your RR?

Then my salesman comes over and tells me he built his spec for 62k lol I am like wtf how did you pull that and then I realized he went 4 banger. There is a compelling argument for a stripper 4 banger with steel wheels and a white roof. I just know myself and can't do it. Maybe if I keep the LC but if the LC goes this needs to be well equipped.

Def need the pack with the exterior box to cover the unsightly floating pillar thing

Originally Posted by swils8610

Equip it!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Def the tempting option. They have as many options on this as Porsche. Nuts. At this point it is unclear on how many will be port installed which is somewhat annoying. Apparently many will be dealer installed to begin.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Yeah the way I had the 110 hse equipped it was around 78k and the 110x was around 8k more. The big ticket item in the x is the full Windsor leather which is probably awesome I am guessing you might have it in your RR?

Then my salesman comes over and tells me he built his spec for 62k lol I am like wtf how did you pull that and then I realized he went 4 banger. There is a compelling argument for a stripper 4 banger with steel wheels and a white roof. I just know myself and can't do it. Maybe if I keep the LC but if the LC goes this needs to be well equipped.

Def need the pack with the exterior box to cover the unsightly floating pillar thing

i split the difference i was right at 70k for my build but i added the 5X2 seats.


yeah the RR has the nice leather... if they call it windsor, IDK. Its nice, perforated and its from a cow

I prefer the heated/cooled seats to the material though. Especially cooled seats. Probably never use the heat

Im going to test drive one just to see but I'm still lukewarm. Definitely not buying it though

[GB-man]

I mean you already have the range so hard to argue haha

More than anything I’m bored with watches and looking back to cars for entertainment.

I’m either grabbing one of these or a cpo 991 911 and keeping the LC.

[evsnow]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

I need a stripper g wagon

I would absolutely buy a $70-80k “stripper” G-Wagen Pro if it came to the US. I have already put close to the purchase price into my Jeep JKU with aftermarket parts and labor as there is nothing in the US market that is close to a G-Wagen Pro!

[Laszlo]

Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

I am seriously trying to think of a bigger automotive snafu in recent years and I just cannot come up with anything.

Mercedes, for example, did a great job with the new G Wagon. They kept the iconic styling, but managed it update it in many ways. I wish LR would have done something similar, even if it meant a starting price that is 20-30k more.

The Aztek. I saw one on eBay for $460 dollars.

[tritium8]

Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

Looks terrible, IMO. Kia Soul knockoff.

Ouch!

I guess the truth hurts, sometimes.

[tritium8]

Originally Posted by andyxxx

And just because nobody else has:

https://www.rolexforums.com/attachme...1&d=1568315074

Such a beauty! Tough to get these in the US but I will have one some day.

[Chewbacca]

Yoda says hello.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

Yoda says hello.

I’ve had multiple TRD 4runners and man they at great but they are essentially really well made tin cans.

Panels flex in the wind on the highway. The tech is from 2008.

If I lived on the beach I might still buy one they are so damn fun.

[SearChart]

Oh wow, the base 90 starts at €100k here... Bit too much IMO.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by SearChart

Oh wow, the base 90 starts at €100k here... Bit too much IMO.

That is insane. Starts under 50k usd here.

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by GB-man

That is insane. Starts under 50k usd here.

I know, it is completely ridiculous.

[zama]

I went all over it at Goodwood, does little for me, the steel wheels on the farm version are a bit of a hit the rest is OK but nothing like the original.

[Terrakot]

That stupid rectangular insert in rear windows looks like dealer’s clip-on window form holder

[Vibroverb]

Originally Posted by FTX I

Love the classic Defender. What's your take on the new one?

It's just cashing in on the name. So totally soft roader it's blatant manipulation. The alignment of LR products to 'lifestyle' is now complete.

I see Toyota has launched the Namib - the logical alternative

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/suv...mib-tremendous

[offrdmania]

Made by Tata motors in India. Utter garbage like the rest of the Land Rover line. Ill pass

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by offrdmania

Made by Tata motors in India. Utter garbage like the rest of the Land Rover line. Ill pass

It is actually made in Slovakia. I will admit I am very unsure of buying one but to be honest all the best engineers I knew in school were from India so I have no concerns over the quality of people that might be working on Tata products.

[Laszlo]

Originally Posted by GB-man

It is actually made in Slovakia. I will admit I am very unsure of buying one but to be honest all the best engineers I knew in school were from India so I have no concerns over the quality of people that might be working on Tata products.

Agree, my engineering teams are the most talented I’ve worked with and they truly work their butts off.

[kulak]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

Yoda says hello.

The fake turbo diesel hood scoop is awful. It’s trying too hard to impress strangers with ruggedness.

[Terrakot]

Originally Posted by Laszlo

Agree, my engineering teams are the most talented I’ve worked with and they truly work their butts off.

I had the opposite experience, to be honest. Two Indian Vendors of Oil and Gas equipment, both were PITA
Chinese, Indian, European or Japanese - all could be either good or bad