Is this a geniune 16610LV Fat 4 (Flat 4) bezel insert??

[bennykmh]

Hi all (especially those who own 16610LV Fat 4), are you able to tell if this is an original Fat 4 (Flat 4) bezel insert? I tried to compare with this post but it doesn't match with both B1 and B2...

https://www.watchclub.com/curated-by...ry-sub-decoded


Grateful if you could share you view. Thanks.

[Oceanlover914]

It looks a bit off to me. Rolex numbers are always exactly placed equally from the edge of the bezel. Some of the numbers look closer to the inside of the ring then others.

[j-watch]

Looks like a fake to me.

[hbombkid]

I am not that good enough to tell if it’s real or fake, but it is beat up and scratches so that right there would tell me to move on.

[Bladeshot]

Looks like the numerals are printed on a straight line. Particularly the “20” on this insert. I’ve read that Rolex prints their 2 numerals with a slight curve to each numeral so they 2 digits combined have a curve that matches the circumference of the bezel. That is most noticeable on the “22” of a GMT Master II. You can see the bottom of the “22” is not a straight line but rather curves gently around the bezel. My opinion is = aftermarket. I’ll be interested to see what others think.


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[Waddy1]

The edges on the numbers seem really messy.
I just did a quick google image search and the numbers are crisp. Look on the Bottom of the 4 and its weird on the bottom, not at all sharp.

[J_1964]

Originally Posted by Oceanlover914

It looks a bit off to me. Rolex numbers are always exactly placed equally from the edge of the bezel. Some of the numbers look closer to the inside of the ring then others.

+1 I noticed that too.

[Lime]

I believe its fake

[southtexas]

Tough call. The 4 shares some characteristics of a legit. Maybe pad was a little worn?




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[J_1964]

Originally Posted by southtexas

Tough call. The 4 shares some characteristics of a legit. Maybe pad was a little worn?




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The "4" is too close to the "0" and the "0" is too narrow? Just my 2c.

[southtexas]

Originally Posted by J_1964

The "4" is too close to the "0" and the "0" is too narrow? Just my 2c.

Maybe so, maybe not; again, that could be the function of a worn out pad. Fakers typically don’t get the nuances correct that I highlighted (ex: the little serifs that are just “so”).

Again, I don’t really know about this one. If it’s coming from a reputable seller, I’d be inclined to call it good. But that’s just me, and not an endorsement or suggestion.


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[J_1964]

Originally Posted by southtexas

Maybe so, maybe not; again, that could be the function of a worn out pad. Fakers typically don’t get the nuances correct that I highlighted (ex: the little serifs that are just “so”).

Again, I don’t really know about this one. If it’s coming from a reputable seller, I’d be inclined to call it good. But that’s just me, and not an endorsement or suggestion.


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I'll defer to your experience, I'm still learning!.....

[Bladeshot]

Originally Posted by southtexas

Maybe so, maybe not; again, that could be the function of a worn out pad. Fakers typically don’t get the nuances correct that I highlighted (ex: the little serifs that are just “so”).

Again, I don’t really know about this one. If it’s coming from a reputable seller, I’d be inclined to call it good. But that’s just me, and not an endorsement or suggestion.


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Your post was really helpful. Very interesting about those little things, like the serifs. I’ve been following this thread so I could see comments from you guys.


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[antrolexsub]

It’s genuine. Never seen a fake flat four insert with serifs on the ‘4’.

[GB-man]

Let’s delete this thread before they figure that out then.

[springer]

South Texas nailed it. It is genuine and below is another genuine insert. The "little seriffs" are not found on all the flat 4s - there are a couple minor variations of this insert.

[Danny464]

Its fake

[springer]

Originally Posted by Danny464

Its fake

I've never seen so many fake experts here on TRF. And, with fake opinions too.

[Bladeshot]

Originally Posted by springer

I've never seen so many fake experts here on TRF. And, with fake opinions too.

Glad to see some folks like you pitch in. Been waiting patiently!


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[CorradoBrit]

Originally Posted by springer

I've never seen so many fake experts here on TRF. And, with fake opinions too.

He's just boosting his post count.

[jperalta86]

Thanks for sharing

[bennykmh]

Originally Posted by Danny464

Its fake

why you think it is fake? seems a lot of ppl think otherwise!

[Bladeshot]

Originally Posted by bennykmh

why you think it is fake? seems a lot of ppl think otherwise!

I would go with SouthTexas and Springer. They know what they are doing. I have absolute confidence in them.


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[thesharkfactor]

The numbers looks fine, I would be closely examining the pearl and frankly astonished it has not already been mentioned, the easiest way I find to determine a genuine Submariner insert is to examine the pearl..

[J_1964]

Originally Posted by springer

I've never seen so many fake experts here on TRF. And, with fake opinions too.

Ouch!

[bennykmh]

Originally Posted by thesharkfactor

The numbers looks fine, I would be closely examining the pearl and frankly astonished it has not already been mentioned, the easiest way I find to determine a genuine Submariner insert is to examine the pearl..

interesting... coukd you tell us more ? front or back? will try to get some photos.

[037]

Originally Posted by southtexas

Maybe pad was a little worn?

Originally Posted by southtexas

Maybe so, maybe not; again, that could be the function of a worn out pad.

Aluminum inserts are laser etched, not printed with a pad. Etching can get thicker or thinner depending on the beam convergence height of the laser. If not calibrated correctly, text can look thicker, closer together and/or fuzzy as a result. Vintage GMT "fat font" inserts are the result of miscalibration and lower QC tolerances than used today.

[southtexas]

Originally Posted by 037

Aluminum inserts are laser etched, not printed with a pad. Etching can get thicker or thinner depending on the beam convergence height of the laser. If not calibrated correctly, text can look thicker, closer together and/or fuzzy as a result. Vintage GMT "fat font" inserts are the result of miscalibration and lower QC tolerances than used today.

Rolex was using lasers in the mid 50s? Talking about being ahead of the times.


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[037]

Originally Posted by southtexas

Rolex was using lasers in the mid 50s? Talking about being ahead of the times.

I'm referring to the 1675/16750 inserts that everyone refers to as "fat font".

Besides, you said "pad" above in reference to the 16610LV insert, which is the point I was clarifying.

[thesharkfactor]

Originally Posted by bennykmh

interesting... coukd you tell us more ? front or back? will try to get some photos.

I mean the pip at 12 o'clock.. the luminous green dot.