Rolex vs Tudor

[jh225]

Originally Posted by padi56

Not riled up but it saddens me today to see how the forum has gone over the past few years no one is interested the history of the RWC in general.

I'm interested.

I love learning about mechanical history, hence the 10 yr member and until very recently no posts. Listen with your ears and not your mouth is what I was always told.

[jh225]

Originally Posted by benlee

Is that a BB41 on the left? Love the understated look of the non marker bezel.

[andrewjb88]

Originally Posted by Chope Man

Just like, years ago, buying a Bentley was not buying a Rolls Royce...

Yes!

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by Etschell

this point has been brought up many times repetitively. the mods disagree. you can search it.

I also disagree with those who think that Tudor doesn't belong in this forum.

Tudor is a very worthy brand in its own right and those who bad mouth Tudor really do show their ignorance of the subject or simply their unfounded bias.

Tudor is a Rolex brand and there are a lot of us here who own both brands and who respect them both equally.

Originally Posted by axjimenez

I believe a real WIS can appreciate both brands, their histories, and their products. This does not mean you may not lean one direction or the other but each brand seems to be targeting a different buyer (with some crossover) and doing a great job at hitting their objectives. Unique products at different price points to capture a broad cut of the market. Pretty damn smart if you ask me.

[Gospodin]

Originally Posted by nick c

Sorry, I can’t afford Rolex, LOL


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Cool pic. If it wasn't for the expensive watch on your wrist hinting that the vehicles are yours, my first guess would be you have a car detailing business in your backyard and the local dealership uses your services... seeing that the cars are similar models / colors etc.

[nick c]

Originally Posted by Gospodin

Cool pic. If it wasn't for the expensive watch on your wrist hinting that the vehicles are yours, my first guess would be you have a car detailing business in your backyard and the local dealership uses your services... seeing that the cars are similar models / colors etc.

Lol it’s my cottage, and the cars belong to me and my family


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[Gospodin]

Cayenne Turbo is pretty much an exotic, congrats. Some fancy color matching going on too with your timepiece.

[nick c]

Originally Posted by Gospodin

Cayenne Turbo is pretty much an exotic, congrats. Some fancy color matching going on too with your timepiece.

Thank you!


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[Gospodin]

OK, long live Tudor. I have its close cousin, at least in terms of movement inside:

[nick c]

Originally Posted by Gospodin

OK, long live Tudor. I have its close cousin, at least in terms of movement inside:

Very nice 👍

[WJGESQ]

I can't get passed that hour hand.

[watchmavan]

Originally Posted by zengineer

Did you check the clearance bin?

Yes there were none there, just a multitude of Rolex watches that aren't their sports models.


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[watchmavan]

Originally Posted by Professor Pickle

I’m glad you speak for all those who live “where you come from.” The world is more complicated than you think.

Give him a break. He's from the states. They still haven't seen a in the flesh. As a matter of fact, when the world started wearing Rolex, those yanks had to settle for Tudor anyway as Rolex weren't sold in the states. Then once everyone found out that they throw their money around Hans started sending over the overpriced Tudors.


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[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by WJGESQ

I can't get passed that hour hand.

That's a good enough reason to not buy a Tudor with the snowflake hour hand, if that's what you're speaking of, and a lot better reason than most I've read here.

Tudor does make other watch styles besides the Black Bay line, you know.

[powerfunk]

Originally Posted by watchmavan

Give him a break. He's from the states. They still haven't seen a in the flesh. As a matter of fact, when the world started wearing Rolex, those yanks had to settle for Tudor anyway as Rolex weren't sold in the states. Then once everyone found out that they throw their money around Hans started sending over the overpriced Tudors.


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When the world started wearing Rolex when the Oyster got famous in the late 20's, Tudor was still 2 decades away from being a coherent brand. Hans tried countless cheaper alternative brands before Tudor achieved any success.

The reason Hans didn't sell Rolex in the US sooner is because he had a deal with Gruen not to sell there. That's because they were the other brand that used Aegler movements, and they didn't want to compete in the same markets. Rolex got the rest of the world and that was considered fair, so, even then it was no mystery yanks had money

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[watchmavan]

Originally Posted by powerfunk

When the world started wearing Rolex when the Oyster got famous in the late 20's, Tudor was still 2 decades away from being a coherent brand. Hans tried countless cheaper alternative brands before Tudor achieved any success.

The reason Hans didn't sell Rolex in the US sooner is because he had a deal with Gruen not to sell there. That's because they were the other brand that used Aegler movements, and they didn't want to compete in the same markets. Rolex got the rest of the world and that was considered fair, so, even then it was no mystery yanks had money

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Yes I'm aware of Rolex history. Thank-you. Gruen had US market, Rolex the rest of the world. This continued into the 30's when Gruen was bought out by Rolex and then started shipping to the States. Tudor watches, along with other HW brands were shipping before this. Tudor branded watches were being made by Hans Wilsdorf prior to WWI. With a Trademark being registered some time later but importantly, prior to the Gruen buyout.


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[powerfunk]

He may have written "The Tudor" on a few random watches before ww1 but it certainly wasn't a brand then. Your post made it sound like Tudor got popular in the US before Rolex. I was just clarifying that that's not really the case

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[watchmavan]

Originally Posted by powerfunk

He may have written "The Tudor" on a few random watches before ww1 but it certainly wasn't a brand then. Your post made it sound like Tudor got popular in the US before Rolex. I was just clarifying that that's not really the case

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Yes fair enough. My original post was tounge in cheek. While you are more than likley aware of this content from your posts, it is an interesting read.
http://www.vintagewatchstraps.com/blogaegler.php


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[powerfunk]

Originally Posted by watchmavan

My original post was tounge in cheek.

I figured, sorry to be such a nitpicker

Originally Posted by watchmavan

While you are more than likley aware of this content from your posts, it is an interesting read.

That is a great article; David's site is an amazing wealth of information. On an unrelated note, I know he mentions Marconi as one of the downmarket brands, but I actually think it may have been intended to be on par with Rolex, as there are movements co-branded "Rolex Marconi" and Rolex would never let the word "Rolex" appear on any of their other brands' movements. Marconi fell off the map once Rolex was clearly successful, yet he was clearly still frantically searching for a downmarket brand to stick. Just a hunch

[josephvman]

You’re pretty judgmental for a guy who drives a Chrysler while wearing a Breitling...LOL

Originally Posted by Gospodin

OK, long live Tudor. I have its close cousin, at least in terms of movement inside:

[N5XTC]

i just cannot get into the hour hand on the tudor. it is subjective, but just not for me. i like tudor other than that.

[hambone1983]

Originally Posted by TakeYourTime

With Tudor I always have this bad "I wish I could buy a Rolex but can't afford it taste"... no offense

I know, right? But then, I think most people probably look at our Rolexes and secretly giggle to themselves that we can't afford a Patek. It's hard to avoid the sneers of the important people these days.

[watchmavan]

Originally Posted by powerfunk

I figured, sorry to be such a nitpicker







That is a great article; David's site is an amazing wealth of information. On an unrelated note, I know he mentions Marconi as one of the downmarket brands, but I actually think it may have been intended to be on par with Rolex, as there are movements co-branded "Rolex Marconi" and Rolex would never let the word "Rolex" appear on any of their other brands' movements. Marconi fell off the map once Rolex was clearly successful, yet he was clearly still frantically searching for a downmarket brand to stick. Just a hunch

Perhaps the forerunner of Cellini?


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[Old Expat Beast]

Here's a couple of adverts from Singapore's Straits Times newspaper from 1937, when Tudor was a popular line of Rolex watches rather than an independent brand.

There's more related stuff here:
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=483355

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=478802

[rmurphy]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

Here's a couple of adverts from Singapore's Straits Times newspaper from 1937, when Tudor was a popular line of Rolex watches rather than an independent brand.



There's more related stuff here:

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=483355



https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=478802

That’s awesome, thanks Adam. I can’t believe the prices. 🤪


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[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by rmurphy

That’s awesome, thanks Adam. I can’t believe the prices. 🤪


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Those were Straits Dollars, too, so likely even cheaper than they appear, assuming the US$ was worth more back then

[Gospodin]

Originally Posted by josephvman

You’re pretty judgmental for a guy who drives a Chrysler while wearing a Breitling...LOL

Oh I WISH I drove it... I was just taking a pic next to my dream grail ride, the Dodge truck with Hemi. Sadly the truck belongs to Enterprise, I rent often and want to try each and every vehicle in their vast fleet. Thought the red paint was a nice background for the blue dial. And yes, I am VERY judgmental.

[jstan9]

Originally Posted by foolishbear

You can't go wrong either way. I own both. Rolex does everything right and you pay for it. Tudor in general are great watches but are "younger" in my eyes. Tudor are chunkier but have a fashion all their own. I have:

Tudor North Flag
Rolex Sub C
Rolex Explorer

I wear them all.

Bought a Notth Flag three weeks ago as a compliment to my BLNR and absolutely love it!

[Krash]

The Philadelphia Phillies and Reading Phillies are owned and operated by the the same organization. One is a major league team that produces and competes at the highest level. The other is a double A minor league team.

I’ve seen both play. Sometimes the major league team disappoints me, while the double A team delights me. The double A team has a lower cost of admission. Good seats for the major league team are quite expensive.

The major league team is well known by everyone in the USA. They won the World Series ten years ago and are currently in first place. The double A team has a much smaller, but extremely passionate and loyal fan base.

I could go on and on, but I think that’s a pretty good analogy.






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[N5XTC]

Originally Posted by Krash

...I could go on and on, but I think that’s a pretty good analogy.






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tickets are cheaper to see the minor league team and it does not cost you as much to park. but, in the end, you are thinking "this is just a minor league game." you may get frustrated and go to a little league game and buy a casio.