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18 August 2019, 12:03 AM | #61 | |
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18 August 2019, 12:04 AM | #62 | |
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Warranty card is fake. The movement is either genuine or a modified with genuine parts clone 4130. It’s not a stock fake movement. This one I would need open in front of me to confirm. If the movement is a modified fake then its been fitted with a genuine main plate and genuine free sprung balance assembly/balance wheel at a minimum. Possibly genuine bridges and rotor. Difficult to see in the pictures. The fake 4130s don’t have serial numbers on the main plate, neither do they have a free sprung balance assembly. Either way the watch is fake. |
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18 August 2019, 12:09 AM | #63 |
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You guys really need to stop telling people that no one can fake a Rolex movement. Very high quality fakes are in the market place now.
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18 August 2019, 12:19 AM | #64 | |
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The 4130 clone is a different story. They come from China with a regulated balance. Easy to spot. But, these will take a real 4130 balance assembly and balance wheel. That’s where the problem lies, with a genuine Rolex balance assembly and main plate, these movements are very difficult to spot. |
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18 August 2019, 12:26 AM | #65 | |
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The movement is genuine, Its not modified for all the reasons you state. The rest is junk - yes including the warranty card
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18 August 2019, 12:29 AM | #66 | |
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Rest of watch is fake though
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18 August 2019, 12:32 AM | #67 | |
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Throw a genuine main plate, all genuine bridges/rotor and a complete balance assembly, balance wheel, pallet fork and escape wheel on one these clones and 99% percent of people wouldn’t be able to spot it without stripping it down, me included. Far cheaper to do that than to source and fit it with a genuine movement. It’s possible it is a genuine movement, but without stripping it down you won’t know. |
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18 August 2019, 12:43 AM | #68 |
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Whatever it is... Fact is that this watch has got into the market and i am sure a lot of people would not spot this one.. It is scary enough that this kind of replica's are showing up now..
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18 August 2019, 12:55 AM | #70 |
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And FYI
Serial number is known FAKE And still for sale here: https://www.swisswatchexpo.com/watch...Box-Card-22524 A
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18 August 2019, 12:56 AM | #71 |
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They have another fake for sale. Stock pictures for image 1,2 and 3. See pictures from image 3.
https://www.swisswatchexpo.com/watch...s-116500-22697 |
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18 August 2019, 01:10 AM | #73 | |
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My take is this.... you can sell two watches sourced from one. IE put a fake movement in a real case and put a real movement in a fake case. Anyone suspicious of a fake case can open it up and have their worries alleviated by a real movement. The real case, why open it at all to see the fake movement? Thats my theory buy one at retail you are in at 12,400 USD. sell two for 22k each and you still made a lot of money
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18 August 2019, 01:24 AM | #74 | |
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18 August 2019, 01:29 AM | #75 | |
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Last bastion of authenticity was the movement. That’s no longer true or the case. That watch is fake externally but most just go on the movement. If that’s good watch is good. Many dealers are now selling these. A
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18 August 2019, 02:06 AM | #76 |
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18 August 2019, 02:11 AM | #77 |
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Buying from A safe source with bricks and mortar. eBay give great buyer protection too But Buying any SS Rolex Watch is now a very difficult job. I know I buy or loan on about 10/week. If it’s SS and modern there is a high chance it’s fake.
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18 August 2019, 02:16 AM | #80 | |
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Indeed the term ZOMBIE is theirs. I
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Whatever the case regarding the movement, I think we can all agree on “holy crap”. This is scary.
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18 August 2019, 02:20 AM | #82 |
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Yes it is.
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Thanks for the heads up. Bought a watch from them several years ago without issue. I have been looking at some 1980s President Day-Dates on their website, but think I will find another option.
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18 August 2019, 04:14 AM | #84 |
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As we have seen from the watchfinder vid these fakes are so good now and even clone the 4130 movement so well. I think the movement is a fake 4130 with genuine parts installed like the rotor etc..Im not a watchsmith but I think the wheels and "upper bridge" (sorry i dont know the terminology) can be swapped to the fake 4130 giving even a trained eye the deception that the movement is 100% real. Add a genuine dial and hands and the watch will fool almost anybody. In fact if the watch ran and kept time the owner would believe that this frankenstein fake/real watch was 100% real until sent to RSC. Why would anyone swap a real 4130 into a fake watch, when most people will never see it?
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18 August 2019, 05:57 AM | #86 |
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Need to blow the whistle on these cheesy shylocks hawking crap - some will even offer to finance these dodgy examples! BE GONE!
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I think the OP got a quick refund to keep the heat away. SWE must know what they're selling.
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I had a return label in my inbox to ship the watch back before I even left the Rolex service center. There is zero doubt in my mind they knew they were selling a fake watch. And as somebody mentioned above , there are possibly other fakes on their site currently for sale. This wasn’t the first time
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