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19 September 2015, 06:36 PM | #1 |
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Help needed with a 5513
Hi everyone,
First time writing here, so excuse me if I'm doing anything wrong. I'm also a first time Rolex owner (or hope I'll be after you help me out with this). I've long wanted to get a Rolex, but wanted my first one to be a 5513. So when I saw one going for auction a couple of weeks ago I took a shot and won the auction. The watch arrived yesterday, however I'm not 100% sure it's real. The auction house is very well respected, and they'll give me my money back if I can show why it's a fake, if it is indeed. The watch was described on the auction's website as: Rolex Submariner, ref. 5513, Meters First “Bart Simpson”, circa 1966, Automatic movement, calibre 1520, adj. 5; 26 jewels, hour, minute, second, original stretch strap ref. 6636 from 1967 So on to my doubts:
I'm attaching some photos. If you want I can provide higher res ones. I hope you can help me out with this. Thanks a lot! |
19 September 2015, 10:26 PM | #2 |
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thats a very nice dial, don't see any problem there
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19 September 2015, 10:30 PM | #3 |
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Congratulations and welcome to TRF! The only thing I see is that it has a replacement crown. Other than that it looks great to me!
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19 September 2015, 11:46 PM | #4 |
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Thanks!
So the way the luminiscent mass is applied is ok? it's not super neat and regular. However, looking at other photos online I have to admit mine is pretty consistent with the others I've seen. |
20 September 2015, 12:14 AM | #5 |
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The tritium on the hour plots and hands is showing normal deterioration for a watch made nearly 50 years ago. The original crown looks like it's been replaced with a later year's version. The "pearl" in the bezel insert looks like it was glued in place, but the bezel insert itself looks original.
Nice piece. Enjoy it. |
20 September 2015, 01:09 AM | #6 |
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"The crown logo on the dial looks asymmetrical to me"
The asymmetrical crown is what makes it a Bart Simpson dial. Congratulations, it's a beauty! |
20 September 2015, 01:27 AM | #7 | |
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While looking at every photo of a Bart Simpson I could find online while waiting for the mods to approve this post I realized it and felt a bit relieved! Thanks!
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As for the pearl, anyone know if it would be possible to remove it, clean the hole in the bezel and put it back into place? or is not just worth it? Thanks everybody for the help! I guess I can now say I'm a proud owner of my first Rolex! |
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20 September 2015, 02:28 AM | #8 |
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20 September 2015, 05:24 AM | #9 | |
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As far as the pearl is concerned, I'd be careful about trying to remove it. They were originally just held in place by friction, and it's more common to lose them than still have them after 49 years. But, you don't know know how it was cemented in place. It could just pop out with your fingernail, or it might be in so tight that the bezel insert gets damaged if you try and remove it. If you ever have the watch serviced by an expert in vintage Rolexes (DO NOT go to Rolex Authorized Service), they can take a look at the pearl and see if anything needs to be done. |
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20 September 2015, 05:37 AM | #10 | |
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Here is my '65 5513 with an original twinlock crown: |
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20 September 2015, 06:16 AM | #11 |
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Since this is a forum and you asked for opinions here is mine. I have never seen the watch nor do i know the seller. Can you please post very clear shots of the dial in direct sunlight? Or better out of the watch at an angle. I do not like the lume or the lacquer of the dial based on THESE pics. On these pics it looks like the dial has been re lacquered and relumed. I may be wrong as your pics are not great but better to be sure so take better pics. I will need way better pics of the dial to be 100% but i have strong feeling based on those pics.
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