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sfc rick · 14 September 2015, 11:32 PM

On my 1977-78 Submariner the wrist band says 93150 on one of links, and has 580 ends. However the clasp has no model number 93150 stamped in it. So is this original or not?

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TimeToGo · 14 September 2015, 11:45 PM

That is fine.

The "B" clasp code, also seen as "VB" denotes an approximate 1977 year of production.

JustinK · 15 September 2015, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TimeToGo

That is fine.

The "B" clasp code, also seen as "VB" denotes an approximate 1977 year of production.

Any idea why Rolex used two codes to denote the same years? I have always wondered this but not found an answer.

Sorry OP off subject, agree with TTG your bracelet looks correct.

TimeToGo · 15 September 2015, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JustinK

Any idea why Rolex used two codes to denote the same years? I have always wondered this but not found an answer.

Sorry OP off subject, agree with TTG your bracelet looks correct.

I've seen the question asked before but all you hear for an answer is... crickets..

sfc rick · 19 September 2015, 01:30 PM

So the AD wrote up the appraisal sheet saying this wrist bracelet is an "Aftermarket bracelet", stating the lack of a 93150 model # stamping on the clasp is why it's not original. Now I'm not sure what to think, seeing the model # "93150" is stamped into the end links and 580 is on the end pieces. The clasp is pictured above with all the signature "ROLEX" logos and even a "B" code stamp....though it looks like an "8" to my old eyes. The serial # does match a 1977 production year.

So the question remains....Is the lack of "93150" on the clasp mean it's not original?

Everyone at the AD swears by this guy who judges all the Rolex's that come in the door, could he be mistaken?

BTW, he did write up the letter saying the 1680 was no longer in production and a #1166610 model at $8500.00 would be the value this watch should be covered at. Insurance company said that's what they needed and wrote up the policy to cover the timepiece.

greekbum · 19 September 2015, 02:02 PM

You will find some 9315 stamped b and some 93150 stamped VB and B . In order for anybody to give an opinion on the clasp in question we need to see pictures of it. The end links and bracelet links are Rolex.

sfc rick · 19 September 2015, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by greekbum

You will find some 9315 stamped b and some 93150 stamped VB and B . In order for anybody to give an opinion on the clasp in question we need to see pictures of it. The end links and bracelet links are Rolex.

These are current pics of the bracelet and clasp. I must add that I just noticed on Bobswatches.com that other 77-78 1680's have no 93150 stampings in the clasp.

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greekbum · 19 September 2015, 02:35 PM

Your AD is wrong and clueless. Its not a fake bracelet or clasp. The 580 end links on your watch are the early style (late 70's) not current service ones. The 93150 stamp is good on your bracelet also. I think thats a 9315 clasp retrofitted to a 93150 bracelet can you show me a side picture of the clasp?
9315 stamped b below (One I recently sold )

Fredrik · 19 September 2015, 04:31 PM

My 77-78 Submariner has 93150 on the blade, it is also marked VB.

To me it looks like a 93150 clasp(the thumb recess indicated this) but maybe with 9315 blades. The early 93150 clasps should have holes all the way, it is not possible to check this in the pictures.

crowncollection · 19 September 2015, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sfc rick

On my 1977-78 Submariner the wrist band says 93150 on one of links, and has 580 ends. However the clasp has no model number 93150 stamped in it. So is this original or not?

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It's authentic, AD's are not the best authenticators IMHO especially Rolex anomalies of which their are plenty.

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TimeToGo · 19 September 2015, 07:35 PM

It's been said throughout..

It is authentic!

sfc rick · 19 September 2015, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredrik

My 77-78 Submariner has 93150 on the blade, it is also marked VB.

To me it looks like a 93150 clasp(the thumb recess indicated this) but maybe with 9315 blades. The early 93150 clasps should have holes all the way, it is not possible to check this in the pictures.

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TimeToGo · 19 September 2015, 09:09 PM

I guess I have to give away these aftermarket ones..

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lee fowler · 19 September 2015, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TimeToGo

I guess I have to give away these aftermarket ones..

.

I will take them of your hands!!

Lee

TimeToGo · 19 September 2015, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by lee fowler

I will take them of your hands!!

Lee

sfc rick · 19 September 2015, 09:51 PM

Thank you for the replies and photos, I am now certain this bracelet is authentic and the AD is not as knowledgeable as he claims to be. He may be the expert on current production Rolex offerings.... but sadly not this one.

greekbum · 19 September 2015, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sfc rick

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imho thats a 9315 clasp

TimeToGo · 19 September 2015, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by greekbum

imho thats a 9315 clasp

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Fredrik · 20 September 2015, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greekbum

imho thats a 9315 clasp

What are the tell tale signs for this? It is identical to the clasp I have on my Submariner which is marked 93150 and VB and I know it is original and untouched.
I thought the 9315 clasps didn't have the thumb recess like in the picture you posted?

lee fowler · 20 September 2015, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by greekbum

imho thats a 9315 clasp

That is exactly the same as my 1976 Double Red clasp on a 93150 band.

Lee

greekbum · 20 September 2015, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by sfc rick

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top clasp is VB notice spacing in the holes compared to yours

hkforyou · 20 September 2015, 04:18 AM

what about this one ? old type ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by greekbum

Your AD is wrong and clueless. Its not a fake bracelet or clasp. The 580 end links on your watch are the early style (late 70's) not current service ones. The 93150 stamp is good on your bracelet also. I think thats a 9315 clasp retrofitted to a 93150 bracelet can you show me a side picture of the clasp?
9315 stamped b below (One I recently sold )

hkforyou · 21 September 2015, 04:50 AM

what about this ?

springer · 21 September 2015, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by hkforyou

what about this ?

The clasp appears to be a 93150. I have never seen a 9315 clasp with a thumb recess. Additionally, it is not uncommon to see a a clasp from a 93150 on a 9315 bracelet due to a later repair.

Fredrik · 21 September 2015, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by springer

The clasp appears to be a 93150. I have never seen a 9315 clasp with a thumb recess. Additionally, it is not uncommon to see a a clasp from a 93150 on a 9315 bracelet due to a later repair.

I totally agree. My understanding is that the thumb recess was introduced with the oldest type of 93150 clasps with holes all the way. later on there was a new 93150 clasp were the holes do not go all the way and even later the notch at the end was removed from the clasp.

bman381 · 6 December 2018, 02:27 PM

I have a 1999 A serial Submariner and I have this clasp in mine as well with 501b end links. It is weird I have a 20 year old clasp in a 1999 watch. It went to service recently and they didn’t say anything. Watch was handed down from my father.

Avav1 · 27 January 2019, 09:31 AM

this site has some good info:
https://sweepinghand.co.uk/useful-in...racelet-codes/

19 September 2015, 02:02 PM	#6
greekbum "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Nikos Location: Florida Watch: Rolex GMT 16750 Posts: 8,415	You will find some 9315 stamped b and some 93150 stamped VB and B . In order for anybody to give an opinion on the clasp in question we need to see pictures of it. The end links and bracelet links are Rolex. __________________ Follow Me On Instagram @nickgogas Original Owner ROLEX 16750 GMT Daily Wearer For Over 13,000 Days And Counting

19 September 2015, 02:35 PM	#8
greekbum "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Nikos Location: Florida Watch: Rolex GMT 16750 Posts: 8,415	Your AD is wrong and clueless. Its not a fake bracelet or clasp. The 580 end links on your watch are the early style (late 70's) not current service ones. The 93150 stamp is good on your bracelet also. I think thats a 9315 clasp retrofitted to a 93150 bracelet can you show me a side picture of the clasp? 9315 stamped b below (One I recently sold ) __________________ Follow Me On Instagram @nickgogas Original Owner ROLEX 16750 GMT Daily Wearer For Over 13,000 Days And Counting

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14 September 2015, 11:32 PM	#1
sfc rick "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Real Name: Rickey Higgins Location: Huntington, TX Watch: 1680 Sub in white Posts: 354	93150 wrist band question On my 1977-78 Submariner the wrist band says 93150 on one of links, and has 580 ends. However the clasp has no model number 93150 stamped in it. So is this original or not? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk

14 September 2015, 11:45 PM	#2
TimeToGo 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,580	That is fine. The "B" clasp code, also seen as "VB" denotes an approximate 1977 year of production.

19 September 2015, 01:30 PM	#5
sfc rick "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Real Name: Rickey Higgins Location: Huntington, TX Watch: 1680 Sub in white Posts: 354	So the AD wrote up the appraisal sheet saying this wrist bracelet is an "Aftermarket bracelet", stating the lack of a 93150 model # stamping on the clasp is why it's not original. Now I'm not sure what to think, seeing the model # "93150" is stamped into the end links and 580 is on the end pieces. The clasp is pictured above with all the signature "ROLEX" logos and even a "B" code stamp....though it looks like an "8" to my old eyes. The serial # does match a 1977 production year. So the question remains....Is the lack of "93150" on the clasp mean it's not original? Everyone at the AD swears by this guy who judges all the Rolex's that come in the door, could he be mistaken? BTW, he did write up the letter saying the 1680 was no longer in production and a #1166610 model at $8500.00 would be the value this watch should be covered at. Insurance company said that's what they needed and wrote up the policy to cover the timepiece.

19 September 2015, 04:31 PM	#9
Fredrik 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Sweden Watch: 1680 Posts: 1,825	My 77-78 Submariner has 93150 on the blade, it is also marked VB. To me it looks like a 93150 clasp(the thumb recess indicated this) but maybe with 9315 blades. The early 93150 clasps should have holes all the way, it is not possible to check this in the pictures.

19 September 2015, 07:35 PM	#11
TimeToGo 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,580	It's been said throughout.. It is authentic!

19 September 2015, 09:51 PM	#16
sfc rick "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Real Name: Rickey Higgins Location: Huntington, TX Watch: 1680 Sub in white Posts: 354	Thank you for the replies and photos, I am now certain this bracelet is authentic and the AD is not as knowledgeable as he claims to be. He may be the expert on current production Rolex offerings.... but sadly not this one.

21 September 2015, 04:50 AM	#23
hkforyou "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Posts: 58	what about this ?

6 December 2018, 02:27 PM	#26
bman381 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Arizona Posts: 35	I have a 1999 A serial Submariner and I have this clasp in mine as well with 501b end links. It is weird I have a 20 year old clasp in a 1999 watch. It went to service recently and they didn’t say anything. Watch was handed down from my father.

27 January 2019, 09:31 AM	#27
Avav1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Real Name: Anthony Location: Ny Posts: 295	this site has some good info: https://sweepinghand.co.uk/useful-in...racelet-codes/

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