The A. Lange & Söhne Thread - including daily pics...

[Berto1]

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by diracpoint

It's matte black or "charcoal" ...

I didn’t know they made a charcoal one. They absolutely have a black one. His looks more gray or light charcoal like you said. I’ve never seen that. Of course it could just be the lighting and the camera and it very well might be a dark black. I was hoping he would chime in.

[classicalthunder]

this might be a dumb question, but how easy is it to acquire different OEM straps for an ALS watch? I'm contemplating the Saxonia Thin in WG, but would like to put it on a brown strap and am fond of the branded pin buckle set up that ALS has...do I just order this at the boutique?

[phiberoptiks]

Originally Posted by Patton250

I didn’t know they made a charcoal one. They absolutely have a black one. His looks more gray or light charcoal like you said. I’ve never seen that. Of course it could just be the lighting and the camera and it very well might be a dark black. I was hoping he would chime in.

Yes it's just lighting. The black is black, but not like Vanta Black. That's my favorite moonphase model, mix of sporty and elegant and provides a great night time backdrop for the moon

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by phiberoptiks

Yes it's just lighting. The black is black, but not like Vanta Black. That's my favorite moonphase model, mix of sporty and elegant and provides a great night time backdrop for the moon

Thanks man. I’m seriously considering this reference. I can’t make up my mind on the dial. My favorite is the WG with white dial and blue hands but they don’t make them anymore. My second favorite is the platinum white dial and those are all gone. So its RD with white dial or WG with black dial. I don’t “love” either one of those. I like them though.

[phiberoptiks]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Thanks man. I’m seriously considering this reference. I can’t make up my mind on the dial. My favorite is the WG with white dial and blue hands but they don’t make them anymore. My second favorite is the platinum white dial and those are all gone. So its RD with white dial or WG with black dial. I don’t “love” either one of those. I like them though.

You should definitely love a 50k watch. Have you considered the gray market? Sometimes they come with a discount compared to a boutique.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by phiberoptiks

You should definitely love a 50k watch. Have you considered the gray market? Sometimes they come with a discount compared to a boutique.

When it comes to Lange grey dealers don’t sometimes come up with a discount they always do. I don’t mind paying a little bit extra at full retail to be eligible for an actual hard to get reference later. This brand is very hard to work with since they only make 5500 Watches a year.

[pjm1289]

Originally Posted by classicalthunder

this might be a dumb question, but how easy is it to acquire different OEM straps for an ALS watch? I'm contemplating the Saxonia Thin in WG, but would like to put it on a brown strap and am fond of the branded pin buckle set up that ALS has...do I just order this at the boutique?

This is super easy to do. I recently acquired the Saxonia Outsize Date from the NYC boutique and was able to order a couple extra straps that should be arriving shortly.

Alternatively, I also got some straps from Delugs for my Omega Deville. I almost might prefer them to OEM for my Lange simply because of the quick release feature.

[CFR]

Originally Posted by jtli202

Did I miss something on Datograph prices? A prominent US dealer just listed a 1st Gen Dato in rg black dial (Dufourograph) for almost $180K.. what the hell happened?

Originally Posted by vitalsigns

I think it's an open question as to whether that dealer is spoofing prices. I don't know one way or the other, but I've compared that dealer's prices to other grey market prices and they are way out of line; and despite prices being so high, pieces are often immediately marked as "on hold", giving the sense that the price is legit. Draw your own conclusions, of course...

They are definitely pushing/testing the market, but clients often come pretty close to meeting those super high prices. Pieces often get marked "On Hold" pretty quickly to give the potential purchaser a little time to consider. The "On Hold" status often gets removed before long. I know this because I've done that a bunch of times in the past, since I know much of their inventory moves quickly. In fact -- true story -- I visited there about 11 hours ago to examine the condition of a Lange 101.032 for a fellow forum participant, but by the time I arrived, the watch had been sold to a different client!

Originally Posted by Patton250

Thanks man. I’m seriously considering this reference. I can’t make up my mind on the dial. My favorite is the WG with white dial and blue hands but they don’t make them anymore. My second favorite is the platinum white dial and those are all gone. So its RD with white dial or WG with black dial. I don’t “love” either one of those. I like them though.

Brett, Lange made very few models with white dials, and I think all Langes with white dials were numbered limited editions. Do you know the reference numbers for the watches you're describing? I'm just curious if some or all of them have white dials or if any of them have silver or rhodium dials. The Historic Data tab on this spreadsheet will show you all the reference numbers.

[vitalsigns]

Originally Posted by CFR

They are definitely pushing/testing the market, but clients often come pretty close to meeting those super high prices. Pieces often get marked "On Hold" pretty quickly to give the potential purchaser a little time to consider. The "On Hold" status often gets removed before long. I know this because I've done that a bunch of times in the past, since I know much of their inventory moves quickly. In fact -- true story -- I visited there about 11 hours ago to examine the condition of a Lange 101.032 for a fellow forum participant, but by the time I arrived, the watch had been sold to a different client

Really hard to tell as there's no transparency into the final sale. I'm sure you're right in many instances that prices reflect actual transactions, but we can't know which ones.

Consider this simple scenario:

--a dealer has a VIP list and circulates new arrivals to that list first.
--a VIP buyer selects a new arrival and puts the piece on hold at an agreed price.
--the dealer lists the piece at whatever crazy price the dealer wants to set, and marks the piece "On Hold".
--the buyer purchases the watch.
--the watch disappears from the site.
--an inference is drawn that the watch sold for the price listed, but we can't know that.
--if done intentionally, and the price listed is materially higher than the price at which the watch was sold, this is tantamount to spoofing prices IMO.

We don't really have any transparency here, so it's hard or near impossible to know what's going on with listed prices vs. actual sale prices.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by CFR

They are definitely pushing/testing the market, but clients often come pretty close to meeting those super high prices. Pieces often get marked "On Hold" pretty quickly to give the potential purchaser a little time to consider. The "On Hold" status often gets removed before long. I know this because I've done that a bunch of times in the past, since I know much of their inventory moves quickly. In fact -- true story -- I visited there about 11 hours ago to examine the condition of a Lange 101.032 for a fellow forum participant, but by the time I arrived, the watch had been sold to a different client!



Brett, Lange made very few models with white dials, and I think all Langes with white dials were numbered limited editions. Do you know the reference numbers for the watches you're describing? I'm just curious if some or all of them have white dials or if any of them have silver or rhodium dials. The Historic Data tab on this spreadsheet will show you all the reference numbers.

Sure. here they are.

https://www.alange-soehne.com/en/tim...nge1-moonphase

However with all the BS dealing with the boutique, even know the Director was very nice I decided to go with this VC instead. I should have it Tuesday.

https://www.vacheron-constantin.com/...000g-b740.html

[thekman]

Originally Posted by CFR

They are definitely pushing/testing the market, but clients often come pretty close to meeting those super high prices. Pieces often get marked "On Hold" pretty quickly to give the potential purchaser a little time to consider. The "On Hold" status often gets removed before long. I know this because I've done that a bunch of times in the past, since I know much of their inventory moves quickly. In fact -- true story -- I visited there about 11 hours ago to examine the condition of a Lange 101.032 for a fellow forum participant, but by the time I arrived, the watch had been sold to a different client!



Brett, Lange made very few models with white dials, and I think all Langes with white dials were numbered limited editions. Do you know the reference numbers for the watches you're describing? I'm just curious if some or all of them have white dials or if any of them have silver or rhodium dials. The Historic Data tab on this spreadsheet will show you all the reference numbers.

Funny enough I believe the Lange 1 you went to check out is the one I have on my wrist right now. Just bought it from EWC yesterday.


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[pdnb]

Originally Posted by vitalsigns

Really hard to tell as there's no transparency into the final sale. I'm sure you're right in many instances that prices reflect actual transactions, but we can't know which ones.

Consider this simple scenario:

--a dealer has a VIP list and circulates new arrivals to that list first.
--a VIP buyer selects a new arrival and puts the piece on hold at an agreed price.
--the dealer lists the piece at whatever crazy price the dealer wants to set, and marks the piece "On Hold".
--the buyer purchases the watch.
--the watch disappears from the site.
--an inference is drawn that the watch sold for the price listed, but we can't know that.
--if done intentionally, and the price listed is materially higher than the price at which the watch was sold, this is tantamount to spoofing prices IMO.

We don't really have any transparency here, so it's hard or near impossible to know what's going on with listed prices vs. actual sale prices.

This….. We will never know for sure… but 100% EWC labels a watch as sold; just to see it re-listed again in the incoming section of the watch app; typically with a new reduced price


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[mario1971]

Half a year has passed since he returned from the service after adjustments and still impresses me with the precision of his gait. + 1.9s / day with manual tension is a very good result for me.

[EndlessEight]

Originally Posted by Berto1

Absolutely stunning.

[JSol1]

FYI, Teddy Baldesare has a great YT on the Datograph and Lange in general…posted a couple of days ago…stunning macros of this piece…

[classicalthunder]

Sorry if this is a common question in this thread - Is a 20% discount at an AD still a possibility these days? not for anything on the super high end, but more along the lines of a standard 1815 or Saxonia.

[JR16]

Originally Posted by classicalthunder

Sorry if this is a common question in this thread - Is a 20% discount at an AD still a possibility these days? not for anything on the super high end, but more along the lines of a standard 1815 or Saxonia.

I would be surprised. Last few ADs I went to didn’t have much in the case. Was looking at the only 1815 they had and no discount.


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[CFR]

Originally Posted by Patton250

However with all the BS dealing with the boutique, even know the Director was very nice I decided to go with this VC instead. I should have it Tuesday.

Sorry the Lange boutique experience didn't work out, but congrats on the VC purchase! I hope you love it!

Originally Posted by thekman

Funny enough I believe the Lange 1 you went to check out is the one I have on my wrist right now. Just bought it from EWC yesterday.

Oh, congratulations! Yes, if you pulled the trigger last Friday afternoon, that'd be the watch! If you decide to sell it anytime soon, feel free to PM me and I'll pass your info along to the guy who contacted me to inspect it.

[anselm]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Sure. here they are.

https://www.alange-soehne.com/en/tim...nge1-moonphase

However with all the BS dealing with the boutique, even know the Director was very nice I decided to go with this VC instead. I should have it Tuesday.

https://www.vacheron-constantin.com/...000g-b740.html

Sorry to hear the bad experience. The L1 Moonphase you have here is part of the 25th L1 anniversary set. I have the L1 Hunter back and my wife has the LL1 version. They have been sold out for quite a while but Lange doesn't update their site to let you know that is the case. Similar to the blue dial L1 have been sold out for a while.

Even for long time buyers, supply has been an issue. Glad you found a VC piece that you really like as well. There are so many watch brands and models out there, no need to get frustrated over any brand. I am sure there are many patek, rolex, ap, frustrated buyers out there that the transparency on how to get a piece is even worse than Lange...

[anselm]

Originally Posted by classicalthunder

Sorry if this is a common question in this thread - Is a 20% discount at an AD still a possibility these days? not for anything on the super high end, but more along the lines of a standard 1815 or Saxonia.

Any in demand Lange most likely will not be sold at any material discount anymore. There just isn't enough supply in the network for them to have to discount.

[anselm]

Originally Posted by Berto1

Beautiful 1815 Chrono. I have the same one, the recent preowned asking prices have started to get a bit crazy....

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Sure. here they are.

https://www.alange-soehne.com/en/tim...nge1-moonphase

However with all the BS dealing with the boutique, even know the Director was very nice I decided to go with this VC instead. I should have it Tuesday.

https://www.vacheron-constantin.com/...000g-b740.html

I haven't seen this VC before. You did well

[amateurcollector]

Originally Posted by anselm

Any in demand Lange most likely will not be sold at any material discount anymore. There just isn't enough supply in the network for them to have to discount.

is it me or have Lange 1 prices doubled in the past year on the secondary market?

[jtli202]

Originally Posted by amateurcollector

is it me or have Lange 1 prices doubled in the past year on the secondary market?

im not sure if they have doubled, but they are def up quite a bit. its all relative of course... still a bargain compared to what rolexes, sports APs and Pateks, even VCs now are going for.

[PBJ1925]

Finally can post my very first Grand Lange!


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[mario1971]

Originally Posted by poweredbyjae

Finally can post my very first Grand Lange!


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Very nice. Congrats!

[lutchki]

Nice

[KaVo8]

Happy Friday to all


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[KaVo8]

Originally Posted by poweredbyjae

Finally can post my very first Grand Lange!


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Beautiful


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