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gek1245 · 6 January 2019, 11:58 PM

Dear All,

New to the watch forum. Got a question, thanks for reading.

Long story short, went to a private seller for a modern sub-date. Didn't buy it. Images shown here.
https://imgur.com/GOnCRy2
https://imgur.com/f9jv4fH

Then, went to a local reputable jewellery store (they had called me for availability) for another modern sub-date. Bought it. Images shown here.
https://imgur.com/zCOGVlX
https://imgur.com/cV1mT6c

For my sub:
- I have found the date magnification and date change, 8 ticks per second, the adjustable clasp, the finishing and edges, to be all on point.
- But is the lettering on the dial a bit off? Also the lume duration is quite short. It glows a bright blue, but after 20 mins charging, only lasts ~15 mins.

Discussed with my friends, was told highly unlikely for my sub to be fake, as it was bought in a reputable jewellery store.

Since I had already bought it, I know I can't do anything about it, whether it is fake or not. But I would like the opinion of you guys, with more experience than myself. All opinions welcome. Thanks!

GLADIATOR · 7 January 2019, 05:35 AM

firstly
If you were sold a FAKE you have recourse. Its illegal (and immoral) to sell a fake. So if you have any doubt, you can just ask your money back.

Now, based on inadequate photos, neither looks fake to me. Nor do I see any evidence of reworked dial or hands in the one you bought.
Its using Super Luminova and should shine bright quite a while.

If you have any doubts, get it checked by an AD.
If you PM me the serial number, I can check it on a large database of fakes,

I am pretty sure your watch is good - so do NOT get stressed yet
A

MinMay · 7 January 2019, 06:58 AM

Since you can't do anything about it, then I won't tell you the bad news then.

Just enjoy it! Next time, do your homework first.

GLADIATOR · 7 January 2019, 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MinMay

Since you can't do anything about it, then I won't tell you the bad news then.

Just enjoy it! Next time, do your homework first.

Why, can he not do anything about it??
And what bad news?

MinMay · 7 January 2019, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Why, can he not do anything about it??
And what bad news?

He explicitly said he can't do anything about it after purchase.

I see a discrepancy in the dial...maybe it's the picture taken, but doesn't look right.

GLADIATOR · 7 January 2019, 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MinMay

He explicitly said he can't do anything about it after purchase.

I see a discrepancy in the dial...maybe it's the picture taken, but doesn't look right.

Did you read his post and my response?

His post:
"went to a local reputable jewellery store"

My Response:
"firstly
If you were sold a FAKE you have recourse. Its illegal (and immoral) to sell a fake. So if you have any doubt, you can just ask your money back.
"

He bought the watch from a "reputable Jewellery Store" - of course he has recourse.

If you see some issue, you should clearly let him know, and he can take action.

Personally from the very inadequate photo, I see no red flags

Swiss Mad! · 7 January 2019, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MinMay

He explicitly said he can't do anything about it after purchase.

I see a discrepancy in the dial...maybe it's the picture taken, but doesn't look right.

For the benefit of the OP please could you expand on the discrepancy you have spotted?

Cheers

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Chewbacca · 7 January 2019, 09:30 AM

What did you pay for it?

(That will answer a lot.)

PRSWILL · 7 January 2019, 09:42 AM

The pics are no go to make a decision - the first watch frankly, has better pics and looks great. the second has "tuned" photos and you can't tell anything by them.

gek1245 · 7 January 2019, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

What did you pay for it?

(That will answer a lot.)

Paid retail for it.

CorradoBrit · 8 January 2019, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gek1245

Paid retail for it.

Which was?

Chewbacca · 8 January 2019, 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CorradoBrit

Which was?

Don’t go making sense now.

MinMay · 8 January 2019, 09:11 AM

I think it's the best interest for the community for me not to reveal imperfection. The folks producing fake ones are taking notes to perfect the next counterfeit.

OP, take it to Rolex AD and let them open it up and verify for you if you want to know 100% sure. Based on the picture you provided, I don't like what I see. My suggestion is for you to take it to a Rolex AD. Good luck.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gek1245

Since I had already bought it, I know I can't do anything about it, whether it is fake or not.

MinMay · 8 January 2019, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRSWILL

The pics are no go to make a decision - the first watch frankly, has better pics and looks great. the second has "tuned" photos and you can't tell anything by them.

+1 totally agree...first looks good...second one looks off....

GLADIATOR · 8 January 2019, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MinMay

+1 totally agree...first looks good...second one looks off....

I doubt there is anything wrong with either. but those photos prove nothing.
Please PM me with what you see so bad in the 2nd watch
Thanks

gek1245 · 9 January 2019, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRSWILL

The pics are no go to make a decision - the first watch frankly, has better pics and looks great. the second has "tuned" photos and you can't tell anything by them.

here are some untouched photos.
found a better way to blur out the serial number. my apologies.

https://imgur.com/LpBwWft
https://imgur.com/5p8Nbqt

lume pics:
https://imgur.com/edbeJ2d
https://imgur.com/gEZ0Nhi

i've bought my watch for 1 year, not sure if I can turn it back in. A bit worried still...
anyways. looking forward to all your replies!

GLADIATOR · 9 January 2019, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gek1245

here are some untouched photos.
found a better way to blur out the serial number. my apologies.

https://imgur.com/LpBwWft
https://imgur.com/5p8Nbqt

lume pics:
https://imgur.com/edbeJ2d
https://imgur.com/gEZ0Nhi

i've bought my watch for 1 year, not sure if I can turn it back in. A bit worried still...
anyways. looking forward to all your replies!

I am pretty sure 95% that your watch is good.
But if you are still concerned then:
1) Post photo of movement or engraving on inside of lugs
2) Take to an AD.

If you PM me the serial number, I can check that too
A

Gtecko · 9 January 2019, 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MinMay

I think it's the best interest for the community for me not to reveal imperfection. The folks producing fake ones are taking notes to perfect the next counterfeit.

they are reading every single message you post in order to make their next replica a better counterfeit ... yep, for sure.

some post on here was extremely useless ...

freefly · 10 January 2019, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gek1245

A bit worried still...

Watch is fine.

Knappo 1307 · 10 January 2019, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freefly

Watch is fine.

This is all you need to know. There are 3 people on these threads who know their stuff inside and out. Freefly is one and the other 2 have not commented. If Eric says it's good, it's good.

socalwatchcollector · 11 January 2019, 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

This is all you need to know. There are 3 people on these threads who know their stuff inside and out. Freefly is one and the other 2 have not commented. If Eric says it's good, it's good.

Only 3?

Knappo 1307 · 11 January 2019, 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by socalwatchcollector

Only 3?

3 that consistently right. So yes

6 January 2019, 11:58 PM	#1
gek1245 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: - Posts: 55	116610LN: are these real or fake? pls advise thx! Dear All, New to the watch forum. Got a question, thanks for reading. Long story short, went to a private seller for a modern sub-date. Didn't buy it. Images shown here. https://imgur.com/GOnCRy2 https://imgur.com/f9jv4fH Then, went to a local reputable jewellery store (they had called me for availability) for another modern sub-date. Bought it. Images shown here. https://imgur.com/zCOGVlX https://imgur.com/cV1mT6c For my sub: - I have found the date magnification and date change, 8 ticks per second, the adjustable clasp, the finishing and edges, to be all on point. - But is the lettering on the dial a bit off? Also the lume duration is quite short. It glows a bright blue, but after 20 mins charging, only lasts ~15 mins. Discussed with my friends, was told highly unlikely for my sub to be fake, as it was bought in a reputable jewellery store. Since I had already bought it, I know I can't do anything about it, whether it is fake or not. But I would like the opinion of you guys, with more experience than myself. All opinions welcome. Thanks!

7 January 2019, 05:35 AM	#2
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	firstly If you were sold a FAKE you have recourse. Its illegal (and immoral) to sell a fake. So if you have any doubt, you can just ask your money back. Now, based on inadequate photos, neither looks fake to me. Nor do I see any evidence of reworked dial or hands in the one you bought. Its using Super Luminova and should shine bright quite a while. If you have any doubts, get it checked by an AD. If you PM me the serial number, I can check it on a large database of fakes, I am pretty sure your watch is good - so do NOT get stressed yet A __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

7 January 2019, 06:58 AM	#3
MinMay Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: United States Posts: 2,410	Since you can't do anything about it, then I won't tell you the bad news then. Just enjoy it! Next time, do your homework first.

7 January 2019, 09:30 AM	#8
Chewbacca Banned Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: CJ Location: Kashyyyk Watch: Kessel Run Chrono Posts: 21,113	What did you pay for it? (That will answer a lot.)

7 January 2019, 09:42 AM	#9
PRSWILL "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Minnesota Posts: 246	The pics are no go to make a decision - the first watch frankly, has better pics and looks great. the second has "tuned" photos and you can't tell anything by them.

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