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Old 25 October 2019, 05:30 AM   #1
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Didn't all Tudor navy-issued watches come on straps?

Saw this today and was wondering if it's correct. I thought all the navy-issued Snowflakes came with welded spring bars and no bracelets?

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Old 25 October 2019, 06:43 AM   #2
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Tudor milsubs have normal springbars unlike Rolex milsubs.
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Old 25 October 2019, 10:27 AM   #3
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so the evidence that this was an issued watch is that hand-scratched number under the lug?
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Old 25 October 2019, 10:53 AM   #4
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so the evidence that this was an issued watch is that hand-scratched number under the lug?
haha good point.
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Old 25 October 2019, 11:22 AM   #5
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haha good point.
Actually Cdn Navy watches are sometimes on bracelets,nylon straps, hand scratched numbers on casebacks or under lugs, all of the above has been seen. They often used the serial number from the case on the back. no fancy stamps or engravings from my experience
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Old 25 October 2019, 11:28 AM   #6
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These are some decommissioned cdn navy subs
Sorry for the bad pic quality and I wish I had taken caseback pics but these had hand scratched numbers on them. And it was a gentleman who served in the Cdn Navy who had them!

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Old 25 October 2019, 11:51 AM   #7
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I don't doubt for a second that Canadian issued Subs sometimes had hand scratched numbers on the backs of the lugs. I'm just wondering how you authenticate them, since anyone can scratch some numbers there, and nothing in that particular listing provided any provenance or evidence. Can't compare the style of the engraving to known examples. No decom papers ... nothing.

I guess someone must know the correct serial number range at least.
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Old 25 October 2019, 01:19 PM   #8
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I don't doubt for a second that Canadian issued Subs sometimes had hand scratched numbers on the backs of the lugs. I'm just wondering how you authenticate them, since anyone can scratch some numbers there, and nothing in that particular listing provided any provenance or evidence. Can't compare the style of the engraving to known examples. No decom papers ... nothing.

I guess someone must know the correct serial number range at least.
I agree. Without any documentation, whatís to prevent someone from just scratching in a serial number close to that one.
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I agree. Without any documentation, whatís to prevent someone from just scratching in a serial number close to that one.
Heck, that's almost as easy as pad-printing TCo on a dial...
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Heck, that's almost as easy as pad-printing TCo on a dial...
Now, now. Nothing is as easy as that.
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especially at $27k...wow.
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Old 26 October 2019, 02:05 AM   #12
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especially at $27k...wow.
If it is a Canadian milsub; what would you say is the right price then?
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Old 26 October 2019, 02:45 AM   #13
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If it is a Canadian milsub; what would you say is the right price then?
With proper paperwork and verification, maybe that's the correct price (is that what market rate is for this? I know it's nowhere near that for a regular snowflake).

Going off of someone's word and chicken scratch - FAR from that.
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With proper paperwork and verification, maybe that's the correct price (is that what market rate is for this? I know it's nowhere near that for a regular snowflake).

Going off of someone's word and chicken scratch - FAR from that.
Well.. Either you believe in it or you do not. Donít really see a middle way.
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Well.. Either you believe in it or you do not. Donít really see a middle way.
I don't disagree - but that's a large monetary mistake if the seller's description and buyer's belief is wrong.
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I don't disagree - but that's a large monetary mistake if the seller's description and buyer's belief is wrong.
Yes, and then how will you convince the next buyer that it's legit?
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Yes, and then how will you convince the next buyer that it's legit?
"but the dealer said..."
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Sorry I'm late to this conversation.

Tudor subs that were issued by the Royal Canadian Navy were marked in various ways. The database has versions that have various types of markings from hand engraved issue numbers to a small batch that were machine stamped. None of the known watches in the database have any engravings on the lugs. They were only marked on the casebacks. and as was mentioned above, many were not marked at all. The particular watch in this listing has a refinished case and the hand engraved number on the lug is extremely fresh looking. I have checked the serial against the known models in the database and it is not close to any confirmed RCN issued watch. This variation of the Tudor sub was not made strictly for the Navy either. It was used for a time by the Canadian navy but it was also available for sale through any dealer on the street.

If this particular watch is in fact a RCN issued watch, I would need to see some additional information to confirm it. The condition of the case and the number engraved on the lug leave me quite suspicious at the moment.

If this watch is one of the ones
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The only current way to 100% confirm a Tudor as a Canadian Navy issued one is the stamped caseback. We have a number of models in the database and can compare macro photos of the stampings to confirm authenticity to these known examples.
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To answer the original question.... the RCN issued Tudor Subs were issued primarily with bracelets. Most divers however switched to nylon straps.
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I have some ocean front property in Kansas for sale. There is a hand written sign out front that says "Ocean".
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