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Old 20 February 2015, 09:29 PM   #1
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Icon20 Storing my Rolex Submariner Question

Hi guys, I was wondering, If i"m not going to be wearing my Rolex Submariner for a while, is it better to let it stop? or put it into a watch winder?
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Old 20 February 2015, 09:30 PM   #2
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Your choice, there's no "correct" way.
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Old 21 February 2015, 10:40 PM   #3
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No wrong choice but I let mine stop when not in use
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Old 21 February 2015, 11:12 PM   #4
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I have been asked this many times and I think I have the "best" answer.

Scenario 1: You do not put it on a winder, the watch needs to be manually set every time. Depending on time in storage, oils can coagulate, dry up and require service over time.

Scenario 2: You keep it on a winder, you rarely ever have to change the date and time and the oils are constantly being used. You are also putting 100 times the wear on the moving parts, gears, spring, etc.. than if you wear the watch only a couple of days a week.
Service time for either may be the same as one way uses the oils and the other way coagulates the oils.

The difference between these two scenarios is that you are putting unnecessary wear and tear on the movement and these parts cannot last forever. I personally would rather NOT use a winder and deal with the inconvenience of setting the time and/or date once a week rather than foot the inevitable repair bill to replace parts that have been worn dues to 24/7 use.

The best scenario for me is to wear the watch at least once a week or two to keep the fluids from coagulating, keep the moving parts moving but, not wearing them out from constant operation.

Short Answer for me: NO WINDER.
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Old 22 February 2015, 01:11 AM   #5
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I have been asked this many times and I think I have the "best" answer.

Scenario 1: You do not put it on a winder, the watch needs to be manually set every time. Depending on time in storage, oils can coagulate, dry up and require service over time.

Scenario 2: You keep it on a winder, you rarely ever have to change the date and time and the oils are constantly being used. You are also putting 100 times the wear on the moving parts, gears, spring, etc.. than if you wear the watch only a couple of days a week.
Service time for either may be the same as one way uses the oils and the other way coagulates the oils.

The difference between these two scenarios is that you are putting unnecessary wear and tear on the movement and these parts cannot last forever. I personally would rather NOT use a winder and deal with the inconvenience of setting the time and/or date once a week rather than foot the inevitable repair bill to replace parts that have been worn dues to 24/7 use.

The best scenario for me is to wear the watch at least once a week or two to keep the fluids from coagulating, keep the moving parts moving but, not wearing them out from constant operation.

Short Answer for me: NO WINDER.
That's a great response, never thought of it like that,
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Old 22 February 2015, 01:27 AM   #6
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I have been asked this many times and I think I have the "best" answer.

Scenario 1: You do not put it on a winder, the watch needs to be manually set every time. Depending on time in storage, oils can coagulate, dry up and require service over time.

Scenario 2: You keep it on a winder, you rarely ever have to change the date and time and the oils are constantly being used. You are also putting 100 times the wear on the moving parts, gears, spring, etc.. than if you wear the watch only a couple of days a week.
Service time for either may be the same as one way uses the oils and the other way coagulates the oils.

The difference between these two scenarios is that you are putting unnecessary wear and tear on the movement and these parts cannot last forever. I personally would rather NOT use a winder and deal with the inconvenience of setting the time and/or date once a week rather than foot the inevitable repair bill to replace parts that have been worn dues to 24/7 use.

The best scenario for me is to wear the watch at least once a week or two to keep the fluids from coagulating, keep the moving parts moving but, not wearing them out from constant operation.

Short Answer for me: NO WINDER.
Regardless of winder or not seals and gaskets in watch dry and harden up over time so waterproofness will be compromised. A winder has not been shown to wear out a movement any faster than not wearing the watch. How many instances have you read on this forum someone winding up their watch when something inside goes "snap"? When the mainspring stays fully wound on a winder it keeps the movement at peak accuracy and the mainspring is less likely to break than if it is always going from a wound to unwound back to wound state.
So as far as my opinion my two Subs stay on my winder and stay fully wound and
Properly set regardless of whether I wear them or not.
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Old 22 February 2015, 02:01 AM   #7
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I have been asked this many times and I think I have the "best" answer.

Scenario 1: You do not put it on a winder, the watch needs to be manually set every time. Depending on time in storage, oils can coagulate, dry up and require service over time.

Scenario 2: You keep it on a winder, you rarely ever have to change the date and time and the oils are constantly being used. You are also putting 100 times the wear on the moving parts, gears, spring, etc.. than if you wear the watch only a couple of days a week.
Service time for either may be the same as one way uses the oils and the other way coagulates the oils.

The difference between these two scenarios is that you are putting unnecessary wear and tear on the movement and these parts cannot last forever. I personally would rather NOT use a winder and deal with the inconvenience of setting the time and/or date once a week rather than foot the inevitable repair bill to replace parts that have been worn dues to 24/7 use.

The best scenario for me is to wear the watch at least once a week or two to keep the fluids from coagulating, keep the moving parts moving but, not wearing them out from constant operation.

Short Answer for me: NO WINDER.
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Regardless of winder or not seals and gaskets in watch dry and harden up over time so waterproofness will be compromised. A winder has not been shown to wear out a movement any faster than not wearing the watch. How many instances have you read on this forum someone winding up their watch when something inside goes "snap"? When the mainspring stays fully wound on a winder it keeps the movement at peak accuracy and the mainspring is less likely to break than if it is always going from a wound to unwound back to wound state.
So as far as my opinion my two Subs stay on my winder and stay fully wound and
Properly set regardless of whether I wear them or not.
And there you have it, to opposite sides of the coin, to which the old question of to use winder, or not, goes round and round and round.
Reality is, it doesn't matter one way or the other. If you don't use a winder and leave it sitting idle for long periods of time (a month or more), give it a manual wind once a month to keep the oils from pooling and give the gears a turn......
If you do use a winder, you have to reset at the end of every second month for the date anyway, but good for you, you've got watch set and ready to go......

My preference is to let the stop. I just don't see the point in having it running as I dont need to read the time on it, as I'm not wearing it. Resetting when I rotate to a stopped watch, to me, is all part of the fun of owning a mechanical watch... It's easy, and takes less than a minute to do.

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Old 25 February 2015, 10:58 PM   #8
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How about on a winder that runs only a couple of hours a day?
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Old 26 February 2015, 10:49 AM   #9
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I would say I prefer the winder. Why? It keeps the different lubes from coagulating as mentioned, and you have always an almost perfectly set watch. The extra wear is probably secondary, since the moving parts that are affected, will be changed once it's time for service anyway. Sticky lubricants however, has a way bigger impact on wear and tear, than constant running. I've had this discussion with a Rolex AD myself, since my plan is to get a Rolex this summer, and this is what the professionals say at least. Cheers! :)
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Old 26 February 2015, 01:45 PM   #10
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Old 26 February 2015, 05:41 PM   #11
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Although these threads are abundant, I always enjoy reading different takes on the discussion. Both sides are valid. Scientifically there must be a definitive response. Mythbusters anyone? Jamie is my old neighbor. I'll ask him next time I bump into him.
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Old 26 February 2015, 06:45 PM   #12
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I look at it this way. When you go to an AD to buy a watch are any of them kept on winders?
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Old 26 February 2015, 07:14 PM   #13
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I look at it this way. When you go to an AD to buy a watch are any of them kept on winders?

Probably to hide the fact that they all keep different time
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Old 26 February 2015, 09:55 PM   #14
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Regardless of winder or not seals and gaskets in watch dry and harden up over time so waterproofness will be compromised. A winder has not been shown to wear out a movement any faster than not wearing the watch. How many instances have you read on this forum someone winding up their watch when something inside goes "snap"? When the mainspring stays fully wound on a winder it keeps the movement at peak accuracy and the mainspring is less likely to break than if it is always going from a wound to unwound back to wound state.
So as far as my opinion my two Subs stay on my winder and stay fully wound and
Properly set regardless of whether I wear them or not.
excellent advice.......
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Old 26 February 2015, 09:57 PM   #15
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Why not just wear it??
I"m going to follow your advice, and enjoy wearing my sub, on a daily basis....
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Old 27 February 2015, 04:07 PM   #16
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I have a GMT-SUB and a wind up Oysterdate! I wear a different one every couple of days
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Old 1 March 2015, 12:55 AM   #17
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Why not just wear it??
Perfect Answer, and as the Rolex has , as I believe a 70 hour power reserve
I should be just fine, thanks again, for your perfect answer!
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I look at it this way. When you go to an AD to buy a watch are any of them kept on winders?
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Old 3 March 2015, 12:29 AM   #19
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IMO let it stop less wear?????
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Old 3 March 2015, 09:00 AM   #20
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Perfect Answer, and as the Rolex has , as I believe a 70 hour power reserve
I should be just fine, thanks again, for your perfect answer!
I think the number is closer to 40 than 70.
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Old 5 March 2015, 11:33 PM   #21
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Regardless of winder or not seals and gaskets in watch dry and harden up over time so waterproofness will be compromised. A winder has not been shown to wear out a movement any faster than not wearing the watch. How many instances have you read on this forum someone winding up their watch when something inside goes "snap"? When the mainspring stays fully wound on a winder it keeps the movement at peak accuracy and the mainspring is less likely to break than if it is always going from a wound to unwound back to wound state.

So as far as my opinion my two Subs stay on my winder and stay fully wound and

Properly set regardless of whether I wear them or not.



EXACTLY. There's so much misinformation IMHO on this subject matter. Unless I get a response from a experienced watchmaker my Omega's, Breitling and Rolexes will stay on my Orbita winder.

I'm no expert, but my fine timepieces have been functioning fine for years and will require service every 6-8 years regardless of use, non-use and time on winder. Trying to time service intervals by letting it wind down, etc is a game that is a waste of time in my opinion.

FWIW
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EXACTLY. There's so much misinformation IMHO on this subject matter. Unless I get a response from a experienced watchmaker my Omega's, Breitling and Rolexes will stay on my Orbita winder.
Here ya' go, pay particular attention to #4:

http://www.rolexforums.com/showpost....0&postcount=57
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The watches I'm not wearing (been only wearing my Sub-C for the past month since getting it) have been sitting in my watch box. I take them out and fully wind them about twice a month to keep the oils flowing.
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I have 4 rolex watches and I use to rotate them buy wearing a diff watch each day, so I kept them on a winder, now i am in a diff occupation and depending on the day and the customer I may wear my seiko divers watch not my daytona and I find myself wearing some more than others so now I have unplugged the winder and don't put the additional wear on the movements.
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Do what my grandmother does and wear all her quartz watches at once. That'll keep the juices flowing..
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I find never taking it off my wrist is the whole point. Leaving it on my wrist ensures amazingly accurate timekeeping (clearly the spring is designed to prevent gain or loss whilst being worn), the watch is designed to withstand even the most harsh conditions (hence a 'tool watch'), and looks amazing whether dressing down or in a dinner suit. By comparison, sticking such a quality timepiece in a winder just to keep it moving seems contrary to the whole philosophy behind buying it. Wear it!
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IMHO watch winders are not needed with any Rolex watch and are little more than big boys toys its that simple.
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The lubricants used now are synthetic not natural so don't coagulate like they used to, you can leave them for ages and they will be fine, they can dry up but they will over time anyway, it's good to give the crown a few turns to get the movement going every so often, that's what I do to my watches I don't wear often. I used to use winders too but it's not really needed unless you have a perpetual calendar etc.
Remember watches are meant to beat 24/7 so they will be fine. At the same time watches can be be in a shop for ages before being sold and wound. And they still work fine when sold


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