How difficult is it to source a white panda dial Speedy?

[Frank McKay]

I’m not really plugged in to Omega but I’ve seen pictures of the white dial Speedy and it’s a masterpiece. I browsed the Omega website but I can’t locate the white dial, only black. Thx!

[ree7]

The first white dial Panda was released in 2003. Reference number is 3570.31 "Mitsukoshi", limited to only 300 pcs and sold only in Japan Mitsukoshi Department stores. It's now very hard even to find one preowned.
However, loose service dials were available on ebay and some people mod their regular Speedmasters into Panda. Be careful not to pay real Mitsukoshi prices for these mods. If you give the serial number to Omega they can tell you if it's a mod or a real Mitsukoshi.
Most recent 'Panda', but with red lettering and sapphire glass is part of the Tokyo Olympics edition. Ref is 522.30.42.30.04.001. Produced in 2020 pcs. Also Japan boutiques/ADs only. They are JPY 693,000 retail but sold out shortly after release. Currently only available at premium from secondary market.

Apart from these two there's the Apollo 11 35th ref 3569.31. It's a Panda with red lettering, Apollo caseback and hesalite glass. Release was in 2004, numbered 3500pcs. They are more widely available due to higher production number. But again some loose dials were available. Be careful too.

These three are the only black/white Panda produced. But the only real black and white without red lettering is the first: Mitsukoshi 300pcs.

[Frank McKay]

Originally Posted by ree7

The first white dial Panda was released in 2003. Reference number is 3570.31 "Mitsukoshi", limited to only 300 pcs and sold only in Japan Mitsukoshi Department stores. It's now very hard even to find one preowned.
However, loose service dials were available on ebay and some people mod their regular Speedmasters into Panda. Be careful not to pay real Mitsukoshi prices for these mods. If you give the serial number to Omega they can tell you if it's a mod or a real Mitsukoshi.
Most recent 'Panda', but with red lettering and sapphire glass is part of the Tokyo Olympics edition. Ref is 522.30.42.30.04.001. Produced in 2020 pcs. Also Japan boutiques/ADs only. They are JPY 693,000 retail but sold out shortly after release. Currently only available at premium from secondary market.

Apart from these two there's the Apollo 11 35th ref 3569.31. It's a Panda with red lettering, Apollo caseback and hesalite glass. Release was in 2004, numbered 3500pcs. They are more widely available due to higher production number. But again some loose dials were available. Be careful too.

These three are the only black/white Panda produced. But the only real black and white without red lettering is the first: Mitsukoshi 300pcs.

Thanks for the prompt reply.

[Stevec14]

There is also the ck2998 pulsometer if you like the straight lug versions. Has a ceramic bezel and sapphire too

[DoctorA]

This thread needs some pics!
The Olympic panda is my favorite! I like it even more than my White daytona
They can be had for a very reasonable price.

[DoctorA]

Here are some pics

[VK1984]

Originally Posted by Stevec14

There is also the ck2998 pulsometer if you like the straight lug versions. Has a ceramic bezel and sapphire too

This is a gorgeous watch in person

[VK1984]

Not my pic but just for reference




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[Hank]

Originally Posted by DoctorA

Here are some pics

That’s an epic collection of Speedmasters! Well done.


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[OrangeKenny]

That pulsometer is gorgeous.
There are also some excellent white/cream dial speedmasters if the panda doesn’t pan out for you.

[campfire]

Originally Posted by DoctorA

Here are some pics

Very nice.

[yonexsp]

Originally Posted by ree7

The first white dial Panda was released in 2003. Reference number is 3570.31 "Mitsukoshi", limited to only 300 pcs and sold only in Japan Mitsukoshi Department stores. It's now very hard even to find one preowned.
However, loose service dials were available on ebay and some people mod their regular Speedmasters into Panda. Be careful not to pay real Mitsukoshi prices for these mods. If you give the serial number to Omega they can tell you if it's a mod or a real Mitsukoshi.
Most recent 'Panda', but with red lettering and sapphire glass is part of the Tokyo Olympics edition. Ref is 522.30.42.30.04.001. Produced in 2020 pcs. Also Japan boutiques/ADs only. They are JPY 693,000 retail but sold out shortly after release. Currently only available at premium from secondary market.

Apart from these two there's the Apollo 11 35th ref 3569.31. It's a Panda with red lettering, Apollo caseback and hesalite glass. Release was in 2004, numbered 3500pcs. They are more widely available due to higher production number. But again some loose dials were available. Be careful too.

These three are the only black/white Panda produced. But the only real black and white without red lettering is the first: Mitsukoshi 300pcs.

What about the 2018 CK2998 Panda

[ree7]

Originally Posted by yonexsp

What about the 2018 CK2998 Panda

Red chronograph hand and contrasting outer minute track made me totally miss that one. But yeah I think we can consider that as a Panda too.

[Bobby T]

Originally Posted by yonexsp

What about the 2018 CK2998 Panda

Pandas are generally white and black combos, just like a real Panda.........never heard of a Panda with blue coloring....have you????

[doctoryellow]

Don’t forget the Italian Albino (500 pieces) 1997

[Plai]

Originally Posted by Bobby T

Pandas are generally white and black combos, just like a real Panda.........never heard of a Panda with blue coloring....have you????

He’s referring to this 2018 CK2998, not the blue one.




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[mobster600]

Originally Posted by DoctorA

Here are some pics

Great collection! Really like the red bezel/strap, so unique

[RoscoPico]

Originally Posted by doctora

here are some pics

wowzers !!!!!

[RoscoPico]

anyone familiar with which other reference numbers are authentic mitsukoshi's ? i see a bunch of mods in the 7k range and wonder if i should stay away. a few are done on old 145.0022's.

and is the marui version just another mod, done on smaller case diameters ?

[ree7]

Originally Posted by RoscoPico

anyone familiar with which other reference numbers are authentic mitsukoshi's ? i see a bunch of mods in the 7k range and wonder if i should stay away. a few are done on old 145.0022's.

and is the marui version just another mod, done on smaller case diameters ?

the only real 42mm Mitsukoshi is the 3570.31. Only 300pcs made for Mitsukoshi Department Stores back in 2003. Here's how real Mitsukoshi cards look like. Reference number is 3570.31. Mitsukoshi AD stamps differ based on branches.
For reduced models I'm not too versed.

[amanbra]

My mitsukoshi mod was from the dial randomly popping up on a Facebook forum. Haven’t seen one in two years.




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[sensui]

Originally Posted by RoscoPico

anyone familiar with which other reference numbers are authentic mitsukoshi's ? i see a bunch of mods in the 7k range and wonder if i should stay away. a few are done on old 145.0022's.

and is the marui version just another mod, done on smaller case diameters ?

Per above, there is only one reference # for Mitsukoshi limited to 300 pieces and the Mitsukoshi luxury department stores in Japan....it's 3570.31.

The serials are all in a certain range but the only way to be 100% certain is to run the serial number against Extranet (Omega's service network) and see the specs to make sure it's configured as the panda dial with those hands.

Yes the Marui is a panda speedy reduced (@ 39mm) for Marui department stores I believe limited to 2000.

[BNA/LION]

Originally Posted by sensui

Per above, there is only one reference # for Mitsukoshi limited to 300 pieces and the Mitsukoshi luxury department stores in Japan....it's 3570.31.



The serials are all in a certain range but the only way to be 100% certain is to run the serial number against Extranet (Omega's service network) and see the specs to make sure it's configured as the panda dial with those hands.



Yes the Marui is a panda speedy reduced (@ 39mm) for Marui department stores I believe limited to 2000.

Awesome John!

[RoscoPico]

Originally Posted by sensui

Per above, there is only one reference # for Mitsukoshi limited to 300 pieces and the Mitsukoshi luxury department stores in Japan....it's 3570.31.

The serials are all in a certain range but the only way to be 100% certain is to run the serial number against Extranet (Omega's service network) and see the specs to make sure it's configured as the panda dial with those hands.

Yes the Marui is a panda speedy reduced (@ 39mm) for Marui department stores I believe limited to 2000.

thank you. much appreciated. if i can confirm this thing is legit, will be joining the club !!!

[Eyenigma]

Originally Posted by Frank McKay

I’m not really plugged in to Omega but I’ve seen pictures of the white dial Speedy and it’s a masterpiece. I browsed the Omega website but I can’t locate the white dial, only black. Thx!

Check out the Alaska Project if you haven't already. Out of my price range but still an elegant and beautiful watch.

[Rollieo]

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Apollo 11, 35th anniversary


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[CEG]

Originally Posted by ree7

The first white dial Panda was released in 2003. Reference number is 3570.31 "Mitsukoshi", limited to only 300 pcs and sold only in Japan Mitsukoshi Department stores. It's now very hard even to find one preowned.
However, loose service dials were available on ebay and some people mod their regular Speedmasters into Panda. Be careful not to pay real Mitsukoshi prices for these mods. If you give the serial number to Omega they can tell you if it's a mod or a real Mitsukoshi.
Most recent 'Panda', but with red lettering and sapphire glass is part of the Tokyo Olympics edition. Ref is 522.30.42.30.04.001. Produced in 2020 pcs. Also Japan boutiques/ADs only. They are JPY 693,000 retail but sold out shortly after release. Currently only available at premium from secondary market.

Apart from these two there's the Apollo 11 35th ref 3569.31. It's a Panda with red lettering, Apollo caseback and hesalite glass. Release was in 2004, numbered 3500pcs. They are more widely available due to higher production number. But again some loose dials were available. Be careful too.

These three are the only black/white Panda produced. But the only real black and white without red lettering is the first: Mitsukoshi 300pcs.

Great learning, thanks.

[Just1More]

Anyone know where a Tokyo panda is for sale please?

[CEG]

Originally Posted by venron

Anyone know where a Tokyo panda is for sale please?

There is 8 on Chrono24 - mostly in Japan, but one in US

[Just1More]

Can someone please explain the Marui Speedmaster reduced white dial version with white subdials ? 3510.20 --is that limited?