Moonwatch - The Legacy Continues (New Moontwatch being announced)

[Wrist party]

Originally Posted by C0d

When Rolex makes subtle changes, TRF call it "timeless" and "true to its roots" and :that's why Rolex always hold value"

• New submariner has thinnger lugs. TRF: WOW SUPERAWESOME
• New submariner has bigger clasp. TRF: I DON"T CARE IT SOMEHOW FITS BETTER
• New submariner is bigger. TRF: IT REALLY DOESN"T LOOK THAT WAY, IN FACT IT WEARS SMALLER

Omega makes subtle changes, TRF call it "price grab" and "not worth the upgrade"

• New moontwatch is thinner. TRF: I AM FINE WITH THE OLD ONE
• New moonwatch has a tapered bracelet. TRF: I FIND 1861 TO BE NICER AND MORE MASCULINE
• New moonwatch has a better movement. TRF: BUT ITS NOT NASA CERTIFIED

Lol what do those guys know anyways


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[Sherwooddavid]

Originally Posted by texasmade

Per Omegaforums

Canadian pricing will be:
- 8550 CAD hesalite
- 9700 CAD saphire

I’m glad I picked up the old one(hesalite) in December. I couldn’t justify another $1800cdn & 15% HST for the new model and would have probably passed.
If my calculations are right it’s almost a 27% increase here in Canada with the 15% HST applied.

[mmaggi]

Originally Posted by C0d

When Rolex makes subtle changes, TRF call it "timeless" and "true to its roots" and :that's why Rolex always hold value"

• New submariner has thinnger lugs. TRF: WOW SUPERAWESOME
• New submariner has bigger clasp. TRF: I DON"T CARE IT SOMEHOW FITS BETTER
• New submariner is bigger. TRF: IT REALLY DOESN"T LOOK THAT WAY, IN FACT IT WEARS SMALLER

Omega makes subtle changes, TRF call it "price grab" and "not worth the upgrade"

• New moontwatch is thinner. TRF: I AM FINE WITH THE OLD ONE
• New moonwatch has a tapered bracelet. TRF: I FIND 1861 TO BE NICER AND MORE MASCULINE
• New moonwatch has a better movement. TRF: BUT ITS NOT NASA CERTIFIED

[WAK4]

Originally Posted by C0d

When Rolex makes subtle changes, TRF call it "timeless" and "true to its roots" and :that's why Rolex always hold value"

• New submariner has thinnger lugs. TRF: WOW SUPERAWESOME
• New submariner has bigger clasp. TRF: I DON"T CARE IT SOMEHOW FITS BETTER
• New submariner is bigger. TRF: IT REALLY DOESN"T LOOK THAT WAY, IN FACT IT WEARS SMALLER

Omega makes subtle changes, TRF call it "price grab" and "not worth the upgrade"

• New moontwatch is thinner. TRF: I AM FINE WITH THE OLD ONE
• New moonwatch has a tapered bracelet. TRF: I FIND 1861 TO BE NICER AND MORE MASCULINE
• New moonwatch has a better movement. TRF: BUT ITS NOT NASA CERTIFIED

Yeah, you may have a point...

[jmed]

Originally Posted by mdtddd2007

Really like it...gonna add to collection! Love the new bracelet and the 90 dot at Bezel and new movement.

Can someone explain the 90 dot to me, no sure I understand the importance of this and why omega even points this out on website

[Fleetlord]

That still might be an adjustable clasp. It looks long enough to have the slide adjust.

We will have to wait for someone to actually get one in their hands other than Omega propaganda officers...lol

[Lew Archer]

Intriguing. The Moonwatch introduced me to watches when I stood at my father's side while he bought one from a shop on Broadway in our Upper West Side neighborhood. I was about ten. Mid '70s. He showed me the caseback with the engraving about the "first watch worn on the moon" and I was hooked on watches ("Live and Let Die", and Roger Moore's handy Submariner, also played a part in capturing my interest).

In the early '90s, my dad gave me that Moonwatch. I have it and wear it still. I bought the "First Omega in Space" a few years ago. That made for a nice pair of space worthy Speedmasters and I had no interest in another. Recent reports of an updated model caused a yawn. If it wasn't THE Moonwatch, it wasn't A Moonwatch...meaning a model that actually made the trip. Several times.

However, seeing the website today gives me pause. Perhaps I dismissed the idea too hastily. I like that the option of Hesalite or Sapphire crystal exists. They could have gone for just one or the other. A nice choice...to remain traditional or not. The idea of the Sapphire caseback is also intriguing. A view into the heart of the beast.

Anyway, I have no idea whether I'll buy one, or, if I do, which one will I buy. However, the question is more likely, "which one?"

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by alllexandru

This thread deserves better photos

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

That still might be an adjustable clasp. It looks long enough to have the slide adjust.

We will have to wait for someone to actually get one in their hands other than Omega propaganda officers...lol

I could be wrong but I think the two holes are the answer you're looking for.

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by Lew Archer

Intriguing. The Moonwatch introduced me to watches when I stood at my father's side while he bought one from a shop on Broadway in our Upper West Side neighborhood. I was about ten. Mid '70s. He showed me the caseback with the engraving about the "first watch worn on the moon" and I was hooked on watches ("Live and Let Die", and Roger Moore's handy Submariner, also played a part in capturing my interest).

In the early '90s, my dad gave me that Moonwatch. I have it and wear it still. I bought the "First Omega in Space" a few years ago. That made for a nice pair of space worthy Speedmasters and I had no interest in another. Recent reports of an updated model caused a yawn. If it wasn't THE Moonwatch, it wasn't A Moonwatch...meaning a model that actually made the trip. Several times.

Love this story. Thanks for sharing.

[Fleetlord]

Originally Posted by FTX I

I could be wrong but I think the two holes are the answer you're looking for.

Yeah...I have an adjustable clasp on my Tintin..and it doesn’t have the holes...

So the new clasp is built like the old one. From the pin and collar bracelet

[Jster]

I like it but the upgrade is not enough to move me away from the now discontinued version I own. I would have liked to see a column wheel. All the writing on the case back looks ridiculous.

[logo]

I guess also the discontinued version has the history of actually being used in space. I don’t know much about watch collecting for the sake of value, but to me a watch configuration that has gone to space carries hefty weight. Will be interesting to see what is used for future moon missions and Mars though. I suspect the new version, which probably will need a new round of NASA testing (and a new case back to signify Mars approved/first watch on Mars). One thing I do believe is that we have entered the next great space decade with SpaceX launches, lunar gateway development, moon/Mars missions etc. When we see that next batch of humans on the moon in a few years, it will only be a matter of time before everyone wants to get their hands on a moonwatch.

[SPMN]

I think it looks great. I'm not sure what the complainers were really expecting? You can't turn the Moonwatch into something it isn't. You can get a Speedy Racing if you want an ultra-modern Speedmaster. The Moonwatch needs to retain its charm, and I'm glad they stayed with an aluminum bezel and updated the movement. So they increased the price, so what? The market will continue to determine the price.

[H25B]

The rubber will meet the road with what discounts ADs offer (if any). In the Midwest it seems 20% off MSRP was pretty much a given on the Hesalite and Sapphire 1861 models.

We shall see.

If they would drop the 321 in the Hesalite model and been done it would be a home run.

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by C0d

When Rolex makes subtle changes, TRF call it "timeless" and "true to its roots" and :that's why Rolex always hold value"

• New submariner has thinnger lugs. TRF: WOW SUPERAWESOME
• New submariner has bigger clasp. TRF: I DON"T CARE IT SOMEHOW FITS BETTER
• New submariner is bigger. TRF: IT REALLY DOESN"T LOOK THAT WAY, IN FACT IT WEARS SMALLER

Omega makes subtle changes, TRF call it "price grab" and "not worth the upgrade"

• New moontwatch is thinner. TRF: I AM FINE WITH THE OLD ONE
• New moonwatch has a tapered bracelet. TRF: I FIND 1861 TO BE NICER AND MORE MASCULINE
• New moonwatch has a better movement. TRF: BUT ITS NOT NASA CERTIFIED

=) on point

[C0d]

Originally Posted by H25B

The rubber will meet the road with what discounts ADs offer (if any). In the Midwest it seems 20% off MSRP was pretty much a given on the Hesalite and Sapphire 1861 models.

We shall see.

If they would drop the 321 in the Hesalite model and been done it would be a home run.

You are obviously not up to date on Omega.

321 is only for Ed White.

I think it's only a matter of time before it comes to Speedy 42 but it will be much more expensive.

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by C0d

I think it's only a matter of time before it comes to Speedy 42 but it will be much more expensive.

Yep it's the mega speedy they're currently holding back on. I do wonder when they will drop it in. Probably when the Ed White run is done?

I hope they release a regular FOIS with the 3861. That would be great.

[scottlech]

42mm is a bit too big for my tastes but that new bracelet looks fantastic. Shame it doesn’t appear to have micro adjustments.

[C0d]

Originally Posted by scottlech

42mm is a bit too big for my tastes but that new bracelet looks fantastic. Shame it doesn’t appear to have micro adjustments.

Micro adjustments? Similar to those on GMT Master and Daytona?

[texasmade]

Originally Posted by C0d

You are obviously not up to date on Omega.

321 is only for Ed White.

I think it's only a matter of time before it comes to Speedy 42 but it will be much more expensive.

They already have a 321 in a Speedy 42. It costs like $50k USD and comes in a platinum case. I don't see Omega dropping the 321 in a standard SS Hesalite Speedy any time soon though. At least not until Omega runs out of the metorite they're using to make the subdials for the platinum 321.

[AEC]

Originally Posted by JohnGingerwood

Its.....beautiful.

This

[AEC]

Originally Posted by Lew Archer

...The Moonwatch introduced me to watches when I stood at my father's side while he bought one from a shop on Broadway in our Upper West Side neighborhood. I was about ten. Mid '70s. He showed me the caseback with the engraving about the "first watch worn on the moon" and I was hooked on watches...

Cool. I think we would enjoy seeing that watch, if you're inclined to share

[Chromosome]

like the new speedy. I prefer the bracelet from the new hesalite version as it doesn't have polished centre-links. My preference would be to have this bracelet with the sapphire case with applied logo

[AEC]

Wow. This one looks pretty tempting...

[Gazoak]

I'm happy with mine which now appears to be somewhat of a bargain compared to the new iteration although I do think the new bracelet is an improvement, particularly on the hesalite and more true to the original design.

[alllexandru]

Originally Posted by AEC

Wow. This one looks pretty tempting...

310.63.42.50.01.001
Yes but also CHF 22,800

Anyway it is a beauty

[alllexandru]

Originally Posted by Maxy

1861 was always available for 30% discount from an AD and upto 40% on grey market. So calling it cheap is totally off the mark when it wasn't even selling at MSRP easily.

Secondly now 3861 will be hard to get especially in the beginning and then buying it at MSRP or near to it with additional 18% price increase will make the watch twice the old model. So, 1861 at $3.5K street price vs $6.3K new watch is huge jump at this point.

I never saw 30% discount on new Omega Speedy's from AD same with 40% on grey for new pieces, dont know where you have this info

IMHO old prices were convenient but for the history and legacy too low positioned, probably that was the Omega strategy at that time, lately it seems Omega is going upwards and good for them

[logo]

Anyone finding any of the discontinued speedmasters at ADs? Bet they aren’t going at much of a discount now. Do you think the new version will be sold at discount or will ADs try and keep the price/demand perception up?

[texasmade]

My guess is for the first year or two, there won't be large discounts on the 3861 like you used to be able to find on the 1861 Speedies. As people start getting their watches, eventually you'll see some discounting. I just don't expect to see the good old days of 30%+ discounts on Speedies. I bought my FOIS back in 2017 for a 34% discount. Those days are gone for the next few years IMO.

[samson66]

Originally Posted by AEC

Wow. This one looks pretty tempting...

No kidding! Man that looks sharp, especially with the gator strap