Not your usual piece of crap Tudor submariner just listed on ebay

[harry in montreal]

Looks like a 7924 with a bad dial. Should be fun to watch this one !

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rolex-Tudor...oAAOSwsttfsDaC

[Kingsking]

Very cool, gonna watch it

[linesiders]

I tried to buy this last year. Numbers were not right.

Dial is badly repainted

[Kingsking]

Originally Posted by linesiders

I tried to buy this last year. Numbers were not right.

Dial is badly repainted

Exact same watch? , seller seems convinced dial is 100% authentic which could explain why the price wasn’t right

[linesiders]

Originally Posted by Kingsking

Exact same watch? , seller seems convinced dial is 100% authentic which could explain why the price wasn’t right

Exact same watch. Seller says Christie's guy states untouched but everyone else states touched. I am one of the stated touched ; ).

Dial might be original, well it is original but the script is repainted with an earlier style of redial.

[Dan S]

The seller is sure trying hard to cover the "R". :-)

[MrGoat]

Seller doesn’t appear to dispute the many that have claimed repaint. He/She also doesn’t appear to be a seller as this is the only item they have listed.


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[harry in montreal]

John, don’t you have a service dial for this reference ?

I figured you would have known about the watch

[AJMarcus]

As we say, Buy the seller first. Worth watching for sure

[hoppes-no9]

With the case back scratched up that badly, I’d be afraid to see what the inside looks like

[harry in montreal]

Ajmarcus, lol. I buy the watch first

[AJMarcus]

Originally Posted by harry in montreal

Ajmarcus, lol. I buy the watch first

It’s an expression meaning a buyer should trust the seller first.

Otherwise, as they say, a fool and his money often go separate ways.

[linesiders]

Originally Posted by harry in montreal

John, don’t you have a service dial for this reference ?

I figured you would have known about the watch

I had a Chapter Ring Silverprint 100m dial for 7924 but sold it. I do have a standard 100m service dial

[harry in montreal]

Ajmarcus, I’m familiar with the expression. I do find it very funny. I rather take a chance on eBay. There are risks but huge rewards. Luck, many years of experience and deep knowledge help me make good decisions.

[AJMarcus]

Originally Posted by harry in montreal

Ajmarcus, I’m familiar with the expression. I do find it very funny. I rather take a chance on eBay. There are risks but huge rewards. Luck, many years of experience and deep knowledge help me make good decisions.

I hear you Harry. And, frankly, that’s my approach as well. But I do it within reason. Just thought I’d post that common sense credo for those with less expertise and knowledge than yourself.

[77T]

One thing that stood out in the description, “Now... clearly worth somewhere from 13-230k.”

Unbridled optimism...
Also -
Anyone know when Christie’s auction house experts began making house calls???

FWIW it is possible that early in this watch’s “life with father” it had water damage and an indie jeweler watchmaker had a dial reprint to address any dial damage. It could explain an earlier font style someone noted above. In the day, that was not considered the “sin against horology” as it is now...


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[Joshfine]

Originally Posted by linesiders

I tried to buy this last year. Numbers were not right.

Dial is badly repainted

Good evening Gentlemen,
Yah, that's me. Might I take a look at your service dial please? How much were you wanting for that?
Thank you greatly,
Josh

[Joshfine]

Christie's guy is now with Sotheby's. Rich Lopez. And he stands by dial. But I get it. You guys hate it. But he did come to the house. I think he wanted to see the minute repeater.

[Joshfine]

Wont let me post link or picture with r uncovered for you because I'm new. No conspiracy, just the time of day I took the pictures... Will relist tomorrow with pictures and answers for you.

[harry in montreal]

Josh it’s a very nice watch. But the dial is redone. But I suggest you speak to someone you trust to affirm my opinion. Sadly the dial represents the majority of the value of the watch.
Best of luck with it.
Regards, Harry

[linesiders]

Originally Posted by Joshfine

Christie's guy is now with Sotheby's. Rich Lopez. And he stands by dial. But I get it. You guys hate it. But he did come to the house. I think he wanted to see the minute repeater.

Josh, based on what you are saying Rich Lopez is either wrong or misleading you. That dial is not 100% original and untouched. It has nothing to do with hate, has everything to do with the print replaced a couple decades ago.

The number one item to have on a vintage watch is the dial, a beautiful and original dial is what makes the watch.

[fmc000]

"This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available."

[Kingsking]

It's back , and better than ever lol

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rolex-Tudor...d/124439897973

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by Kingsking

It's back , and better than ever lol

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rolex-Tudor...d/124439897973

Weird listing. Guaranteed to scare off almost anyone. And to make it even sketchier, the bidder's identities are hidden.

[harry in montreal]

I like a little story to a listing. His needed an editor, but it’s amusing.

I find it fun to understand and learn the provenance of an item.

I think the seller is a good guy and I hope it does well.

[cardiel]

I like this guy.........let the chips fall where they may...GLWS

[linesiders]

I am becoming convinced the seller is incapable of help. I have traded several emails with the seller, given him honest advice of a Tudor addict, broken things down in some detail (including the info about pad printing) and he chooses not to listen because it won't bring him the next quarter million. There is a much nicer 7924 sitting at HQ for 6 months @ 80K. But only the exceptional pieces pull top coin.

I also offered to part it out for him (yes I would take a cut) and offered to part it out for him 2 years ago. He has delusions of its value. I think the floor is 30K, parted out. If Bezel pulls better money, it is 40K.

The wild card is the bezel which is safe at 10K - which could be more - but is fitted on a surprisingly smaller number of watches. There are several RED bezel styles, this is just one, and it is in mediocre shape. One sold on VRM over summer for near 30K that was in EXCELLENT shape. Far better than this one that will need to stay in the bezel because of damage and might simply crumble apart if / when removed. How many people, that have the correct watch from 1957 or 1958, are willing to drop 20 Grand on a rare but still grade -C insert that might break when fitting to a watch?

The dial fonts are reprinted, he thinks it is original.

Hey Josh, I tried to help you.

[alwayshere]

haha... what a tale....

live and learn

[harry in montreal]

Let’s see how it does.

I don’t think he has thought through the payment part of the transaction. Does PayPal go beyond 10k? We all know that the listing needs robust terms of sale and payment instructions.

I would expect it gets taken down. I say it will be down between 48-72 hours before auction end.

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by harry in montreal

Let’s see how it does.

I don’t think he has thought through the payment part of the transaction. Does PayPal go beyond 10k? We all know that the listing needs robust terms of sale and payment instructions.

I would expect it gets taken down. I say it will be down between 48-72 hours before auction end.

I have used PP for more than $10k. I think that the limit is much higher as long as the account is verified.