Rolex dilemma 16710 vs new GMT

[BNABOD]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

I'd definitely go for old over new; I don't see the newer movement as much of an advantage. I like everything about the older models better. I'd consider a 16700 as well since the quick set date imho is a nice feature more so than having three time zones.

True and I do not need three time zones


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[Jsteele44]

Get both!!!!!

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[JohnAcosta]

I own a 16710 and I chose it over the 116710 for a few reasons. Personally I don't like the green text and 24 hour hand, the PCLs, or how it wears a little bigger than the 16710. I will concede, however, the materials and craftsmanship of the 116710 is leaps and bounds better than the 16710. The 116710 bezel is more direct, the bracelet and easy link absolutely crush the older style bracelet/clasp, and the 3185 movement can seem almost sloppy compared to the 3186 when making adjustments.

That's my opinion. Good luck.

[BNABOD]

Originally Posted by Jsteele44

Get both!!!!!

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My heart says yes my wallet says no


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[Andad]

I went for a 16710 with the 3186 and a 116713.

The best of both models but the TT is my favourite GMT.

[joli160]

Do try both on your wrist before you decide, they wear very different

[Robrob777]

New style is better by far overall

[henrylee]

I own both references, but lets say my daily is the 5 digits. It's a lovely watch~

[strafer_kid]

Originally Posted by BNABOD

So I have a couple pieces on sale a Tudor BBB and a PO8500. Both lovely in their own right but simply too big and too thick for me.
I am more comfortable in the 40mm range even though I have obviously gone wider.

These days I am founding myself desiring more and more a 16710 in coke or pepsi.
I have a thing for GMTs and already own the ExpII polar (latest edition) . I also have a Sea Dweller A series circa 1999 in superb shape.

Soooo I am trying to decide between the 16710 and the newer GMT (the one w the green 24 h hand, more subdued than the black and blue)

I understand the movement has evolved, so has the bracelet and the case lugs have grown wider .


So what say you?




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Have always been a Sub/SD guy and until recently wore my 16600 pretty much all the time, but then got the GMT bug with both the 16700 and 16710. Brilliant watches and without taking anything from the Sub or SD, these can do just about everything the Sub/SD can. Very versatile and wear really well on the wrist. These older five digit models have still retained something of the tool watch look, which has lessened significantly with the six digit GMT in my opinion. Ultimately it call comes down to personal taste and you cannot really go wrong with any of them...good luck!

[BNABOD]

Originally Posted by strafer_kid

Have always been a Sub/SD guy and until recently wore my 16600 pretty much all the time, but then got the GMT bug with both the 16700 and 16710. Brilliant watches and without taking anything from the Sub or SD, these can do just about everything the Sub/SD can. Very versatile and wear really well on the wrist. These older five digit models have still retained something of the tool watch look, which has lessened significantly with the six digit GMT in my opinion. Ultimately it call comes down to personal taste and you cannot really go wrong with any of them...good luck!

I swear I was going to right just one sentence ....so bare w me here but thanks for the input.
I used to not like watches bought used but recently I have been on the used band wagon. And therefore my newly increased desire for a good 16710. I love GMT to me it is one of the most useful complication along w date and since I have family on both side of the pond I use it a lot. Sure I can easily add 6,7,8,9 hours depending on where I am at in the US but at a glance it is nice to know wo having to do the extremely difficult mental math ;)
the older model is in my view more versatile (maybe not so much the Pepsi and coke due to the bright bezel but the full on noir bezel is) than the bigger wider shinier new models. I fully appreciate the new 116710 is just better from an engineering stand point, better movement that is more advanced better bracelet, better clasp , ceramic bezel etc etc ... but the old school charm of the oldish 16710 speaks to me.
I used to think I could swing a 44-45mm hockey puck but guess what I can't and while the size of said watches gave it "presence" it also was uncomfortable and heavy so I dropped them all in that size range. I went to GS for the sbgm027 GMT model in 39.4mm (if I recall correctly) and felt whoa this is more my size but then the 14-15 mm thickness threw me off so their it went .
I also never took the time or realized what folks meant when they said "maxi dial thick lugs ..." and now that I look at it I do like the lugs of my SD a lot more than my exp II

So long story short hopefully Monday I will have purchased a 16710 if the stars are aligned nicely


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[elkaholic]

I've not ever owned any version of the GMT II, but I used to have a black explorer II 16570 with solid end links which wears the same (as far as I know) as a 16710. It is extremely comfortable. I've not spent more than 2-3min with a 116710 on, so I can't speak to how it wears, but I admit I want to try one again.

If prices were the same or close for a black 16710 and a black 116710, I'd go with the 16710 for sure. I prefer the brushed bracelet over PCL's. That being said, if the 116710 wears as well as the previous version, I'd grab one and have the PCL's brushed before I'd pay a premium for the older style.

[landroverking]

I would go old school.

[Hands90]

16710 buy it now. Prices are already getting up there.

[Pacheco]

I've had both models I would probably pick the 6 digit reference because it feels more solid and right now the 16710 may cost you more. The 116710 in Black may be one of the best deals you can get on a preowned Rolex right now.

[The Libertine]

No dilemma. Choice is easy. 16710.

[BNABOD]

Originally Posted by Pacheco

I've had both models I would probably pick the 6 digit reference because it feels more solid and right now the 16710 may cost you more. The 116710 in Black may be one of the best deals you can get on a preowned Rolex right now.

This is certainly true from just looking over the last week or 2. You can get a mint 116710 for around 6.5 w everything in the box yet a non polished to oblivion 16710 is at min w box papers about 7 and u most likely need to send it in for service. So if only a question of $ then a no brainer, alas there is more to it than $


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[Jsteele44]

Originally Posted by BNABOD

My heart says yes my wallet says no


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Well then I say 16710. I am travelling next week and excited to have 2 timezones on tap, and to be sporting something different. Seems that so many people have the 6 digit subs these days.

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[uansari1]

Originally Posted by Hands90

16710 buy it now. Prices are already getting up there.

Prices are already "up there". Consider that an Exp II, which is really the same watch, just without the rotating colored bezel, is 40+% less! I can't see prices really climbing any more than they already have.

Purely based on a value for money consideration, I think you can take your time and wait for the right piece to come along for sale...at least that's what I'm doing.

[pexus]

Got the BLNR in 2015. Easily my favourite ss ceramic rolex. But decided to get a coke 16710 few month ago, with similar reasons to what everyone is saying here. And with the plan of selling the BLNR.

Now? I am still having both. They wear differently. But if I have to offload one, the 16710 stays. Possibility of jubilee and a Pepsi bezel makes it an all time classic.

But for now, I am happy to own both.

All best to the OP.


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[BNABOD]

Originally Posted by uansari1

Prices are already "up there". Consider that an Exp II, which is really the same watch, just without the rotating colored bezel, is 40+% less! I can't see prices really climbing any more than they already have.

Purely based on a value for money consideration, I think you can take your time and wait for the right piece to come along for sale...at least that's what I'm doing.

I think that is very wise advice because I tend to jump quick. I have enquired quit a bit out there and w box papers some folks are selling 16710 for close to 9K and that to me is a tad nutso. I get it everyone has their price but at 9K buying a blnr would just make more sense to me.....
I need to breathe and wait a bit ;)


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[ras47]

Even with my beefy 7 3/4" wrists, the 16710 wears very well. Sleek and comfortable. Hugs my wrist beautifully and I can almost forget I'm wearing a watch at all. I cannot speak to the new GMT 6-digit models as I have never tried one on. I do generally prefer new watches over older/vintage ones. It's just that the Pepsi GMT has been my grail watch for over 30 years. Something to consider when deciding between GMTs is price. If either choice can save you significant money compared to the other, that's something to factor into your selection as long as either model has something you really want.

[strafer_kid]

Originally Posted by BNABOD

I swear I was going to right just one sentence ....so bare w me here but thanks for the input.
I used to not like watches bought used but recently I have been on the used band wagon. And therefore my newly increased desire for a good 16710. I love GMT to me it is one of the most useful complication along w date and since I have family on both side of the pond I use it a lot. Sure I can easily add 6,7,8,9 hours depending on where I am at in the US but at a glance it is nice to know wo having to do the extremely difficult mental math ;)
the older model is in my view more versatile (maybe not so much the Pepsi and coke due to the bright bezel but the full on noir bezel is) than the bigger wider shinier new models. I fully appreciate the new 116710 is just better from an engineering stand point, better movement that is more advanced better bracelet, better clasp , ceramic bezel etc etc ... but the old school charm of the oldish 16710 speaks to me.
I used to think I could swing a 44-45mm hockey puck but guess what I can't and while the size of said watches gave it "presence" it also was uncomfortable and heavy so I dropped them all in that size range. I went to GS for the sbgm027 GMT model in 39.4mm (if I recall correctly) and felt whoa this is more my size but then the 14-15 mm thickness threw me off so their it went .
I also never took the time or realized what folks meant when they said "maxi dial thick lugs ..." and now that I look at it I do like the lugs of my SD a lot more than my exp II

So long story short hopefully Monday I will have purchased a 16710 if the stars are aligned nicely


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Great watch...you wont regret it!

[BNABOD]

Originally Posted by ras47

Even with my beefy 7 3/4" wrists, the 16710 wears very well. Sleek and comfortable. Hugs my wrist beautifully and I can almost forget I'm wearing a watch at all. I cannot speak to the new GMT 6-digit models as I have never tried one on. I do generally prefer new watches over older/vintage ones. It's just that the Pepsi GMT has been my grail watch for over 30 years. Something to consider when deciding between GMTs is price. If either choice can save you significant money compared to the other, that's something to factor into your selection as long as either model has something you really want.

Price wise though when comparing the 116710 and 16710 there isn't much difference for gently used pieces. I am looking in the 6.5k range and I apparently seem to have offended some by asking if their for sale item came w papers at 6.5-6.6. Seemed like a reasonable ask to me but again i don't live around this forum. I thought I was in the ball park yet maybe a tad low.
Back on point I am too stubborn to give up and determined to find one in great shape at a reasonable to me cost so let's see how the future shapes up .



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[SADDLE]

Originally Posted by BNABOD

Price wise though when comparing the 116710 and 16710 there isn't much difference for gently used pieces. I am looking in the 6.5k range and I apparently seem to have offended some by asking if their for sale item came w papers at 6.5-6.6. Seemed like a reasonable ask to me but again i don't live around this forum. I thought I was in the ball park yet maybe a tad low.
Back on point I am too stubborn to give up and determined to find one in great shape at a reasonable to me cost so let's see how the future shapes up .



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I think you're going to need to add $1,000 to your budget to find what you're looking for in the 16710 models.

[BNABOD]

Originally Posted by SADDLE

I think you're going to need to add $1,000 to your budget to find what you're looking for in the 16710 models.

Apparently so .....and that now gets in brand spanking new territory for a 116710.
So at equal value and used, to me the 16710 edges the newer model on style points but when a used 15 year old watch is more than a brand new one w 5 year warranty it is a different ball game but not giving up yet


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[Hairdude1]

Tough call, go with your gut

[doramas]

16710 always

[Quicksilver]

If you can, one of each


In all honestly they are like two different watches. I have had my Pepsi for quite a few years now. With its slim case and Jubilee bracelet it is supremely comfortable and oozes old world charm. I love my LN as well - modern,solid and reliable and very classy. The LN is beautiful but like most 6 digit references lacks the charm of the older models. Of the two I would go 16710. The LN will be around a few more years but 16710's will only get more expensive as time goes on.

Good luck and welcome to the GMT club.


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[Nairn1980]

The market on these is strong.

I get your point about being in new model price range. I've found myself in a similar situation.

A few weeks ago I found the perfect 16710 - year 2000, box, papers, tags, manuals, everything as new. It also came with a Coke bezel, Pepsi bezel and black bezel inserts.
It truly is a beauty.

However the price was slightly more than I paid for my BLNR and I struggled to get my head around that. The BLNR feels much chunkier and solid but blingy, yet the older pepsi oozes old school charm.

However I know I've made the right choice and it's an incredible watch. I now have a perfect 16710 to go with my BLNR and it's the perfect combo I think.

Buy the best model you can, prices won't go down I'm pretty sure.

[jcd]

I've had my 16710 for 2 years now. I love it as much now as the day I got it from davidsw. I think the versatility of the piece is what puts it over the top for me. I have a jubilee for it, as well as all 3 bezel inserts. I'm not interested in getting rid of mine....ever. But I do watch the values, and they've climbed significantly since I got mine. In fact I should get it appraised again for my insurance.

So, perhaps now is the time to pick one up before the prices get even more out of hand?