Worth 'upgrading' to new subs?

[IR201]

Hi guys, I guess this is more a specific question for people who have the previous 6 digit ceramic versions and still bought the newest one.

I'm aware of the differences - I like the thinner lugs, don't like the thicker clasp, the bracelet width I need to feel to know and I'm not a movement guy so don't really care about that.

Question is, I've got three of the previous version - the hulk, the bluesy and the 114060. Am thinking about the 124060 now but wondering if the difference is worth it to even pursue?

[dpt.calvin]

Question: are you happy and content with your current Sub C?

[seabreeze60]

The 124060 is a nice watch. If you can pickup at list price I would go for it. You can decide later if you choose to prune your collection.


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[FTX I]

When the 124060 was introduced a month ago I was sure I'd add one but I can't tell the difference between them without my reading glasses, not to mention the movement issues, so I'm not that sure now. However, to answer your question I'd never trade my 114060.

[mike morris]

For me fat lugs plus , See watch 20-30 years old , small lugs looks terrible , fat you can polish 100 times and will looks great , and I’m fan 3135 , I have DJ 41 on 3235 ,first 6 months was +0,5s day , after quick go down to 12s and I sold it . My wife’s new DJ 36 on 3235 after 3 months go -8s , I’m trade it for last production DJ 36 on 3135 with super jubilee .and I’m happy . I’m not ready to go 3235 again .

[IR201]

Originally Posted by dpt.calvin

Question: are you happy and content with your current Sub C?

I'm not sure. Sometimes? I mean, don't get me wrong. I am super lucky to have them and think they are beautiful. But sometimes the lugs do look a bit thick to me. I've always preferred the dimensions of the 5 digit and the ceramic bezel and better clasp of the 6 digit. I've also got a SD4K which is closer to my ideal watch but not quite there. Lugs a bit stubbier than I would like and the watch a bit thicker including a caseback which protrudes more into my wrist. So I was thinking maybe the new no date might be an improvement for me. But I guess it's all about trade offs. Not sure. Hoping to hear experiences.

[David5807]

Yeah, maybe ditch the plain sub for the new generation. Alternatively, I would keep the Hulk and sell the other two for a PM Sub.

[Thanos]

Upgrade???

I would say new model. Not ‘upgrade’.

[IR201]

Originally Posted by Thanos

Upgrade???

I would say new model. Not ‘upgrade’.

Yes this is why I put it in quotes!


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[10klakes]

I got both, time will tell which stays or goes.

[cuibono]

Originally Posted by FTX I

When the 124060 was introduced a month ago I was sure I'd add one but I can't tell the difference between them without my reading glasses, not to mention the movement issues, so I'm not that sure now. However, to answer your question I'd never trade my 114060.

What movement issues?

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[FTX I]

Originally Posted by cuibono

What movement issues?

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Not sure it applies to the new 3230 but this thread is a bit worrying.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=729198

[TimeAZ]

Originally Posted by mike morris

For me fat lugs plus , See watch 20-30 years old , small lugs looks terrible , fat you can polish 100 times and will looks great , and I’m fan 3135 , I have DJ 41 on 3235 ,first 6 months was +0,5s day , after quick go down to 12s and I sold it . My wife’s new DJ 36 on 3235 after 3 months go -8s , I’m trade it for last production DJ 36 on 3135 with super jubilee .and I’m happy . I’m not ready to go 3235 again .

All valid points. I never really thought about it, but the benefit of those fat lugs is the ability to polish it over and over, maybe decades from now they'll still retain a nice shape since there's room for gradual wear of polishing. Having said that, I still think the fat lugs ruins the look of the watch especially with after-market straps. 114060 does not look good on leather straps, in my opinion.

Also, I've read one too many of comments about these problems with the 3235 movement, reported to lose time after several months of use. Can you imagine paying $10k and then winding up with something losing 10 second per day?? That is absolutely unacceptable.

[Vetracer]

I’ve got a variation of Submariners and I currently have no desire to buy the new models. To me the jump from 5 digit to 6 digit ceramic was significant as was the green dial on the 116610LV. The new offerings are too subtlety different from the outgoing models with the exception of the much longer power reserve for me to justify their purchase.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by TimeAZ

All valid points. I never really thought about it, but the benefit of those fat lugs is the ability to polish it over and over, maybe decades from now they'll still retain a nice shape since there's room for gradual wear of polishing. Having said that, I still think the fat lugs ruins the look of the watch especially with after-market straps. 114060 does not look good on leather straps, in my opinion.

Also, I've read one too many of comments about these problems with the 3235 movement, reported to lose time after several months of use. Can you imagine paying $10k and then winding up with something losing 10 second per day?? That is absolutely unacceptable.

Agreed.
It's a huge risk to take on a potential lemon.
It wouldn't be the first time in history that a lemon was thrust upon the unsuspecting public either
And warranty doesn't go on in perpetuity, after 5 years one is likely left up to their own devices.

[Annan]

I do not own nor want a Sub so I really don't have anything to say about the Subs in general. I do own a DJ41 with 3235 movement and have been a victim of the reported issue. I've heard from a reliable source who is a CW21 watchmaker for Rolex that all the 32XX movements are at risk. And.....Rolex is aware of the problem but to date has not issued a permanent "fix" for watchmakers to follow nor have they modified the 32XX movements that are in the latest releases. For more information do a search on this forum for related threads.

[garyk]

I like the previous sub, the way it wears, it’s a nice case size but I will not turn down the new version...

[Greg.A]

40mm still rules for me. Thin lugs polished too much will look like toothpicks. Just look at some of the overpolished old subs

[Oystersteel]

Originally Posted by garyk

I like the previous sub, the way it wears, it’s a nice case size but I will not turn down the new version...

My sentiments exactly

[garyk]

Originally Posted by Greg.A

40mm still rules for me. Thin lugs polished too much will look like toothpicks. Just look at some of the overpolished old subs

Haha, great point! Why didn’t I think of that!?

[Ichiran]

Prefer the slim lugs!

[Bigblu10]

Originally Posted by Annan

I do not own nor want a Sub so I really don't have anything to say about the Subs in general. I do own a DJ41 with 3235 movement and have been a victim of the reported issue. I've heard from a reliable source who is a CW21 watchmaker for Rolex that all the 32XX movements are at risk. And.....Rolex is aware of the problem but to date has not issued a permanent "fix" for watchmakers to follow nor have they modified the 32XX movements that are in the latest releases. For more information do a search on this forum for related threads.

This is a major concern with the 32xx movement. The 3135 is tried and proven over decades. As for myself, I have no reason to move my 116618LB for a 126618

[zjd168]

just add the new sub date and keep your old 3, other wise just stay put

[IR201]

Originally Posted by zjd168

just add the new sub date and keep your old 3, other wise just stay put

This crossed my mind!


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[superwarrian]

I've seen so many New vs Old videos on youtube, read so many threads on Forums.

They say the previous gen had a square look, I like it, and the new one doesn't.. to me the new one still has the supercase bulkier square look, no need to kid here..

The visual differences are so minor you'd have to have experienced the previous one and the new one for a good amount of time to compare differences on how they make you feel while wearing them.

Can't go wrong with either.

[Ny325]

My 40mm SS Submariner is the sweet spot. Less is more in my book.

[cvo]

Each reference will to be able to hold on their own merits - until I read this thread. I was thinking about flipping my 116610ln for a 41mm sub or a SD43.

[Psmith]

The 11' has that nice subtly muscular shape, that has been somewhat lost now both because, and despite of, the wider bracelet. I also prefer the crown guards of the 11'. But like all Subs, it's not easy to tell them apart in isolation from a few feet away and both are great. If you want something a bit bigger then the SD43 makes more sense imo. The movements are a non-issue for me - I like the longer power reserve, but never had a problem with older movements.

[brucethemanlee]

if i had the large lug 40mm Sub... i would upgrade to the new svelte 41mm Sub

[Sandpit]

Personally I think the effort would be better expended in a totally different watch. I don't really see the point in buying what is, for all intents and purposes, the same watch. Albeit a bit bigger.