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Old 2 April 2018, 09:47 AM   #1
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I for one am hoping for a sub redesign...

.... at Basel 2019 or perhaps 2020. Slimmer lugs, thinner case and new movement please - that would be the cherry on top.

I’ve owned 4 maxi case references, including PM, and all of them were flipped at some point PURELY due to how the square case looked on my 7” wrist. It always just looked like the watch was wearing me, as opposed to me wearing the watch. And it was frustrating to finally realise it, since they’re all great watches.

For now DJ41 and a soon to be added Tudor Blackbay 58 will keep me satisfied.

Anyone else wishing for newer Rolex sport watches closer in dimensions to the 5-digit references of yesteryear?


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Old 2 April 2018, 09:56 AM   #2
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Yes and I would bet on it happening too. When? Idk
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Old 2 April 2018, 10:01 AM   #3
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I suspect the Sub will get redesigned the same way the GMT got redesigned - a barely discernible refinement, but still obviously a super-case design. A new movement with the redesign is a given at this point. When it will happen is anybody's guess, although I'd be surprised if it didn't happen by 2020.
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Old 2 April 2018, 10:15 AM   #4
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I suspect the Sub will get redesigned the same way the GMT got redesigned - a barely discernible refinement, but still obviously a super-case design. A new movement with the redesign is a given at this point. When it will happen is anybody's guess, although I'd be surprised if it didn't happen by 2020.
I agree, think the chance to make this new oystersteel with a different case was there, not just have it a bit more shiny. I'm sure with sales booming now there is no real reason to make such a costly change.
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Old 2 April 2018, 12:05 PM   #5
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I suspect the Sub will get redesigned the same way the GMT got redesigned - a barely discernible refinement, but still obviously a super-case design. A new movement with the redesign is a given at this point. When it will happen is anybody's guess, although I'd be surprised if it didn't happen by 2020.
Exactly.

Can't imagine the Sub getting a different case than the new GMT, and the GMT case changes are barely discernible to the point where they are insignificant.
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Old 2 April 2018, 11:59 PM   #6
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Exactly.

Can't imagine the Sub getting a different case than the new GMT, and the GMT case changes are barely discernible to the point where they are insignificant.
Insignificant. And yet you noticed them.

Design is a curious and subtle thing, isn't it.
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Old 3 April 2018, 12:12 AM   #7
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Insignificant. And yet you noticed them.



Design is a curious and subtle thing, isn't it.


Wrong. I didn’t notice them. People allege it’s different. I can’t tell.


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Old 3 April 2018, 02:49 AM   #8
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I agree with all of this, except I don’t think you’re (we’re) in the minority.

I see this behavior on car forums too. A specific car might have a huge following, sell well, and have dedicated forums, but yet there are always those who whine and complain about the latest design. Fact is, the updated models are better in every way, but yet there are still a noisy few who advocate for the previous model.

Supercase is here to stay folks.


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Exactly, like the E92 guys bitching about V8s and turbo charging when the new car is much faster and agile, with much more luxury and tech...yet no...V8 waaaahhh.
V8 sounds better, but that is it. The F80s are faster and much more advanced, period.

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It is amazing that Rolez is unable to design the perfect Sub that every person on planet earth adores and finds absolutely 100% perfected. I mean they ARE Rolex and everyone has the same tastes towards design. Weird....
Lol, people just want to be contrarians. No matter what manner of data is before them they want what they want. They know better than Rolex and will swear that Rolex made a "mistake" in the case design, it wasn't intentional or anything. This huge enormously successful company that sells every single Submariner it makes made an error according to them and now they wait for Rolex to back pedal and make amends with the world.

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Absolutely, the 6 digits are the majority. The whining over wait lists is annoying but understandable, but the whining over the supercase is just tragic, esp when the 6 digits are selling like never before and yet people still keep trying to suggest they are a mistake! Just so blindly tragic.
Tragedy indeed. They don't like ceramic bezels, they don't like the case, they don't like it because it's too square, too small, too shiny....the only thing they like is the clasp.
So they want Rolex to go back ten years and make a five digit skinny looking Submariner but with all brushed steel, because that makes anything tool like. I bet if they brushed all the surfaces of a Skydweller, someone would jump out the closet and proclaim that it's the perfect "tool" watch.

Does that even really exist for a middle class hard working member of society, a $9-15k "tool" watch....
For John Mayer sure, he could buy a Sub to throw around and a Patek to purposely dress down in and pick up dog poop...but that isn't the norm.

The Sub and its sales say it is perfect. And no one except five digit dreamers who probably don't or ever owned a SubC want a Submariner lite....
The irony is that these people scream for thinner lugs, more refinement visually, but then scream about it needing to be larger and nothing shiny, all brushed.

Can't you guys just go buy one of the millions of five digit watches that are floating around. Can't they all just go buy one of the five digit Pepsis that are circulating everywhere still...All they're gonna do is bitch about pcls and square lugs with a too much shiny bezel....irony.

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Insignificant. And yet you noticed them.

Design is a curious and subtle thing, isn't it.
I don't see a difference in the new case. Not curious or subtle just marketing mumbo jumbo. Based on this marketing mumbo jumbo, I myself believed the Submariner had been redesigned.
"Marketing", is a curious and subtle thing, isn't it.
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Old 2 April 2018, 07:52 PM   #9
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I suspect the Sub will get redesigned the same way the GMT got redesigned - a barely discernible refinement, but still obviously a super-case design. A new movement with the redesign is a given at this point. When it will happen is anybody's guess, although I'd be surprised if it didn't happen by 2020.
The supercase is here to stay. Good example is new ss Pepsi. Still has supercase.
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Old 2 April 2018, 10:06 AM   #10
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I have a 6.75" wrist and and I do not think it looks big or ugly on my wrist. Give him a fifth chance and you will fall in love. The Super Case is beautiful. Another option is Daytona case, YM or DJ.

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Old 2 April 2018, 10:16 PM   #11
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I have a 6.75" wrist and and I do not think it looks big or ugly on my wrist. Give him a fifth chance and you will fall in love. The Super Case is beautiful. Another option is Daytona case, YM or DJ.

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I have a yet smaller wrist at 6 and 1/2 and fits just fine. In fact, would argue perfect.
Heck, it’s my smallest watch with the rest ranging up to 44.

To me, this “too big for me” nonsense constantly debated is beyond ridiculous.
Folks will debate a 36 v 41 DJ, saying the 41 is way too big on someone yet a negligible 1mm less on a sub is “the perfect size”, and they own a sub.

I wear what makes me happy.
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Old 2 April 2018, 10:07 AM   #12
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I’m with you, that’s one of the reasons I parted ways with my 114060. Who knows when it will happen, maybe in the next few years although like Jackson said, I think the difference will be marginal.
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Old 2 April 2018, 10:08 AM   #13
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I tried:
Hulk
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All failed. As did the 216570. Perfect watch, but too big. Tried ‘making it work’ for over 1 year lol.

SD4K was great, but thick (understandable).


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Old 2 April 2018, 10:14 AM   #14
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I tried:
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114060

All failed. As did the 216570. Perfect watch, but too big. Tried ‘making it work’ for over 1 year lol.

SD4K was great, but thick (understandable).
If it's not for you, then it's not. You're better of realizing it and moving on. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
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Old 2 April 2018, 10:15 AM   #15
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If it's not for you, then it's not. You're better of realizing it and moving on. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.


The first couple of flips weren’t related to the watch size. Something newer/shiner is what drove me to make those moves. But yes, I agree with the definition.


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Old 2 April 2018, 10:37 AM   #16
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Love the current Sub as is. And with the insatiable demand I don't see a redesign anytime soon.
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Old 2 April 2018, 11:01 AM   #17
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This is one of those watches where Rolex could easily adjust a few things and make it better. They know it as well. It's just about the timing.

You can see the improvements in other models, especially the SD43.
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Old 2 April 2018, 11:38 AM   #18
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They will tweak the case when they put in the 3235 movement. They will probably just thin out the lugs a little. I personally like the maxi look. I can see if I was into Rolex before I would prefer the old style. Definitely flows better, but it also makes the watch look smaller on the wrist. With an almost 8 inches wrist anything smaller and I don't like how it looks. I will say 40mm maxi has grown on me since I came from a 44mm Omega. Now I actually prefer the 40mm size. I like anything thin and don't mind size just height dimensions.
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They will tweak the case when they put in the 3235 movement. They will probably just thin out the lugs a little.
Really? What about the new GMT?
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Really? What about the new GMT?
I do have an alternate theory, although I find it unlikely. Rather than keeping the Sub looking like the GMT (which historically it always has, or vice versa), Rolex establishes a "diver DNA" by redesigning the Sub to look more like the Sea Dweller and Deepsea. Then, all divers become a distinct branch, separate from the GMT, which stands on its own with the super-case. My gut tells me that won't happen, and the Sub and GMT will remain fraternal twins. But Rolex does like to change things up from time to time, so who knows?
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Old 2 April 2018, 10:27 PM   #21
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I do have an alternate theory, although I find it unlikely. Rather than keeping the Sub looking like the GMT (which historically it always has, or vice versa), Rolex establishes a "diver DNA" by redesigning the Sub to look more like the Sea Dweller and Deepsea. Then, all divers become a distinct branch, separate from the GMT, which stands on its own with the super-case. My gut tells me that won't happen, and the Sub and GMT will remain fraternal twins. But Rolex does like to change things up from time to time, so who knows?
I believe you’re right and my theory has been Rolex will differentiate further between the Sub and GMT Master, while taking advantage of economies to scale from the rest of the Diver Range.

The fact that the SD43 came with a big price increase, placing it closer to the DSSD without the DSSD version of the Glidelock, tells me it’s very possible Rolex takes the BB41 approach and makes a Sub 126610 in 41mm (officially still marketed as 40mm), and uses the SD43’s 22mm bracelet.

This allows for the 5 digit shape without having to backtrack and downsize.
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I believe you’re right and my theory has been Rolex will differentiate further between the Sub and GMT Master, while taking advantage of economies to scale from the rest of the Diver Range.

The fact that the SD43 came with a big price increase, placing it closer to the DSSD without the DSSD version of the Glidelock, tells me it’s very possible Rolex takes the BB41 approach and makes a Sub 126610 in 41mm (officially still marketed as 40mm), and uses the SD43’s 22mm bracelet.

This allows for the 5 digit shape without having to backtrack and downsize.
Still can't see GMT having a Supercase and not the Sub. If anything, I would expect the exact opposite. The Sub would have the Supercase, and not the GMT. That would make a lot more sense to me.
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I think they'll move towards smaller sizes again, but I love the current one as is.
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A sightly thinner case would be awesome, as long as they can keep the same water resistance.
But seeing as the new gmt cases barely changed, I don't see it happening.
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A sightly thinner case would be awesome, as long as they can keep the same water resistance.
But seeing as the new gmt cases barely changed, I don't see it happening.
The 5 digit case was thinner. About 2 mm or so, and I can't see them moving in a backward direction toward 5 digit case measurements. For those unhappy with the current Sub case proportions, better to strap on the 5 digit version instead of waiting and speculating when a major re-design will happen. You may be waiting a long, long time IMO.
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The 5 digit case was thinner. About 2 mm or so, and I can't see them moving in a backward direction toward 5 digit case measurements. For those unhappy with the current Sub case proportions, better to strap on the 5 digit version instead of waiting and speculating when a major re-design will happen. You may be waiting a long, long time IMO.
I didn't realize the 5-digit subs were that much thinner.

I have smaller wrists. I find my 114060 comfortable to wear, though it is about as large as I'd wear. It took me a week to figure out the correct link sizing.

Now, I have to decide this year, do I add a 214270 or a Black Bay 58 . Or perhaps try a 5-digit reference. I like the maxi dial, not sure about the super case.

I look forward to the next Rolex design for the sub once the model gets its turn for a movement upgrade. I imagine Rolex will carefully consider any changes, and will get it right.
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yah...anything new is good.
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.... at Basel 2019 or perhaps 2020. Slimmer lugs, thinner case and new movement please - that would be the cherry on top.

I’ve owned 4 maxi case references, including PM, and all of them were flipped at some point PURELY due to how the square case looked on my 7” wrist. It always just looked like the watch was wearing me, as opposed to me wearing the watch. And it was frustrating to finally realise it, since they’re all great watches.

For now DJ41 and a soon to be added Tudor Blackbay 58 will keep me satisfied.

Anyone else wishing for newer Rolex sport watches closer in dimensions to the 5-digit references of yesteryear?


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I'd love to see it, but I don't think it'll happen, at least in the near future. I think the GMT "redesign" showed us what we need to know -- that the super case is here to stay, at least in the near term.

Have you tried on or worn a new DaytonaC? I ultimately decided that the super case references weren't for me (7" wrist, same as you) but the Daytona fits like a dream. The lugs are much thinner and the overall case is nicely proportioned. I'd recommend giving it a shot.
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I'd love to see it, but I don't think it'll happen, at least in the near future. I think the GMT "redesign" showed us what we need to know -- that the super case is here to stay, at least in the near term.



Have you tried on or worn a new DaytonaC? I ultimately decided that the super case references weren't for me (7" wrist, same as you) but the Daytona fits like a dream. The lugs are much thinner and the overall case is nicely proportioned. I'd recommend giving it a shot.


Oh yes? Let me go and try a Daytona at my local AD right now


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What about the Yachtmaster 40mm? Those are really sweet and they have slimmer lugs and a smaller case.
https://www.rolex.com/watches/yacht-...l#configurator


New Tudor Black Bay 58 might be an option too.
https://www.tudorwatch.com/watches/n...t/m79030n-0001
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