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View Poll Results: Does your 32xx movement seem to be 100% ok?
Yes, no issues 813 72.85%
No, amplitude is low (below 200) but timekeeping is still fine 43 3.85%
No, amplitude is low (below 200) and timekeeping is off (>5 s/d) 260 23.30%
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Old 29 November 2022, 10:10 AM   #3241
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Any brands in the $5k to $15k range that have quality like in the good ‚ol days? JLC, GO, Habring2, Moser?
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Old 29 November 2022, 11:48 AM   #3242
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Burnishing is more of a surface treatment. If done properly it should reshape the surface, not remove it. You can burnish anything from leather to wood to metal. It's different from a process which removes material via abrasives.

What's the point? Having parts that last much longer. I thought Searchart gave a pretty compelling account of how much longer life you get out of properly burnished parts. It seems like a potential mod would be to have a watchmaker procure new factory parts (presuming yours have already trashed themselves), then process them in a way to extend their service life. Heat or cryo treatments could be explored as well, just as we do with tools and engine/trans parts. In my view, in a world where Rolex no longer knows how to make long-term reliable movements, we have to get creative.
I totally get that. What seems pointless to me is bothering to do that, but still having to replace the whole mainspring barrel at service. If Whole movement could then go 30 years in between, I’d be all about it.
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Old 29 November 2022, 06:55 PM   #3243
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Any brands in the $5k to $15k range that have quality like in the good ‚ol days? JLC, GO, Habring2, Moser?
Maybe Grand Seiko?
I believe they make everything in-house and I assume the Japanese have always been masters of metalurgy, so why not manufacture to true standards of excellence
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I totally get that. What seems pointless to me is bothering to do that, but still having to replace the whole mainspring barrel at service. If Whole movement could then go 30 years in between, I’d be all about it.
Thus far I don't recall hearing of any bad mainsprings in 32xx movements. True, it does not appear to be a serviceable part. But unless the springs prove to be regularly fatiguing to the point of breakage, I think this part of the movement stands to endure far longer than the train. If a new spring will deliver 70 hours of power reserve for 8-10 years, even if it degrades somewhat perhaps it will do 50-60 hours for the next 10? Power reserve, provided it is >= 40 hours, doesn't really matter to me. I just want a watch that is consistent in its timekeeping while it is being worn or wound.
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Thus far I don't recall hearing of any bad mainsprings in 32xx movements. True, it does not appear to be a serviceable part. But unless the springs prove to be regularly fatiguing to the point of breakage, I think this part of the movement stands to endure far longer than the train. If a new spring will deliver 70 hours of power reserve for 8-10 years, even if it degrades somewhat perhaps it will do 50-60 hours for the next 10? Power reserve, provided it is >= 40 hours, doesn't really matter to me. I just want a watch that is consistent in its timekeeping while it is being worn or wound.
Ok, I’ll concede that; good point. However I’d still be wary of the fact that this only works if there isn’t some other weak link that’ll still necessitate more frequent service.

Once again, though, I miss the days when Omega didn’t set the standard for “attributes to beat on paper” and Rolex found itself playing catch-up. Used to be that “standards to beat” were discovered in the real world.
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Old Yesterday, 05:57 AM   #3246
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I totally get that. What seems pointless to me is bothering to do that, but still having to replace the whole mainspring barrel at service. If Whole movement could then go 30 years in between, I’d be all about it.
The 31×× and 41×× don't have serviceable barrels anymore either unfortunately.
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Old Yesterday, 06:43 AM   #3247
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Is the lack of power reserve another symptom? I used to have bad timekeeping (+/- 4 sec.) with a power reserve working as advertised (70ish hours)… now I have timekeeping within COSC specs but the power reserve is very weak (less than 48 hrs)
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Is the lack of power reserve another symptom?
I have not observed that for my 32xx watches, but a reduced power reserve (48 instead of 70 hours) will become visible as soon as amplitudes are well below 200 degrees after full winding.

I used to have bad timekeeping (+/- 4 sec.) with a power reserve working as advertised (70ish hours)… now I have timekeeping within COSC specs but the power reserve is very weak (less than 48 hrs)
That does not sound good…
How do you determine (measure) the power reserve?
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How do you determine (measure) the power reserve?
I would also be very interested to find the answer to this question E.
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Is the lack of power reserve another symptom? I used to have bad timekeeping (+/- 4 sec.) with a power reserve working as advertised (70ish hours)… now I have timekeeping within COSC specs but the power reserve is very weak (less than 48 hrs)
1. +\- 4 is actually better than COSC (+6/-4)

2. Are you measuring from when you fully wind the watch and then set it down, or when you take it off and set it down without having recently wound manually?

3. Not seen anything in this thread suggesting this is a symptom.
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How do you determine (measure) the power reserve?
Nothing scientific… just check every hour or so. But there is no question that the power reserve has significantly dissipated.


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1. +\- 4 is actually better than COSC (+6/-4)

2. Are you measuring from when you fully wind the watch and then set it down, or when you take it off and set it down without having recently wound manually?

3. Not seen anything in this thread suggesting this is a symptom.
1. Meant COSC superlative +2/-2 as advertised
2. The latter, but my wearing behavior is quite consistent
3. Good to know, thank you
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Nothing scientific… just check every hour or so. But there is no question that the power reserve has significantly dissipated.




1. Meant COSC superlative +2/-2 as advertised
2. The latter, but my wearing behavior is quite consistent
3. Good to know, thank you
In that case, wonder if you have some other, unrelated, issue with the automatic winding, where it’s not getting fully wound on the wrist. Try fully winding manually, then setting it down and checking its PR.
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the power reserve is very weak (less than 48 hrs)
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Nothing scientific… just check every hour or so. But there is no question that the power reserve has significantly dissipated
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2. The latter, but my wearing behavior is quite consistent
< 48 hours is very likely not the power reserve (PR) of your watch.
What to do?

(1) full winding with 40+ full clown turns,
(2) read and note time,
(3) don't wear watch but set it down in dial up (DU) position,
(4) don't touch watch,
(5) wait until watch stops running,
(6) read and note time,
(7) calculate difference (6) – (2) in hours : minutes : seconds,
(8) that is the PR of your watch (in DU position),
(9) post result on TRF.

Nothing to do at all with science
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< 48 hours is very likely not the power reserve (PR) of your watch.
What to do?

(1) full winding with 40+ full clown turns,
(2) read and note time,
(3) don't wear watch but set it down in dial up (DU) position,
(4) don't touch watch,
(5) wait until watch stops running,
(6) read and note time,
(7) calculate difference (6) – (2) in hours : minutes : seconds,
(8) that is the PR of your watch (in DU position),
(9) post result on TRF.

Nothing to do at all with science
If only all customers knew this, it would take care of many perceived power reserve issues.

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If only all customers knew this, it would take care of many perceived power reserve issues.


And I wondered that this step-by-step list would be by far too trivial, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
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And I wondered that this step-by-step list would be by far too trivial, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Not at all
It's rude to say but I sometimes wonder how some individuals even manage to acquire enough funds for these watches, when basic things like setting the date is too challenging for them.
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FWIW, I've tested the PR of my watch both ways (just taking it off after wearing it for 16 hours a day - every day) and also by winding it 40 times from a dead stop. It went over 70 hours every time.

But lately, I've been meaning to test it again (40 winds from dead) because the last time I let it die (from just wearing) it seemed to only go like 55 or 60 hours. I could have been lazy that week.

And also, for what it's worth, my watch is running at a steady -10 spd for the last few months. At least it's steady.

Warranty is up in June - 2023.
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Not at all
It's rude to say but I sometimes wonder how some individuals even manage to acquire enough funds for these watches, when basic things like setting the date is too challenging for them.
That's because you're looking at it all wrong, given where the money-making seems to be. I often say to myself:

If I were 20% smarter, I could make 50% more money. If I were 30% dumber, I could get rich.
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Put my 323O Sub to Weishi 1000 timegrapher. Dial up is spot on at 0 s/day. Good amp 272 at 53 degrees lift angle. On the wrist since new it has run on average a bit slow -1.5 s/day. So, I’ve put my concerns to rest.
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Put my 323O Sub to Weishi 1000 timegrapher. Dial up is spot on at 0 s/day. Good amp 272 at 53 degrees lift angle. On the wrist since new it has run on average a bit slow -1.5 s/day. So, I’ve put my concerns to rest.
Without measuring all 5 positions (CH, CB, 9H, 6H, 3H) your conclusion might be wrong.
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It's rude to say but I sometimes wonder how some individuals even manage to acquire enough funds for these watches, when basic things like setting the date is too challenging for them.
I also think there is an element of luxury which to some customers almost discourages learning such things. Much in the same way that a wealthy person may have a nice car, but a very rich person has a driver. Almost to imply operating the machine is beneath him. At my AD, there is a procession of old rich ladies who come in the first of any month where the date needs to be corrected
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I also think there is an element of luxury which to some customers almost discourages learning such things. Much in the same way that a wealthy person may have a nice car, but a very rich person has a driver. Almost to imply operating the machine is beneath him. At my AD, there is a procession of old rich ladies who come in the first of any month where the date needs to be corrected
But no old rich men?
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If only all customers knew this, it would take care of many perceived power reserve issues.

Hi Bas,

My previous reply was t i c because I can’t think of any other way to check PR?

How else can it be done?



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