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Old 1 November 2022, 04:34 PM   #31
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I previously wrote a thread here about buying a 3861 vs a Snoopy 50th. I tried both but ultimately felt the Snoopy isn't worth the grey market prices. Bought the 3861 via AD and remained quite happy with it until today.

Most ADs will not get a Snoopy from Omega. It is mainly for their boutiques and its required spending history to get one from the OB is approx. 60k USD. The required spend history to buy the Snoopy is simply not worth it when I can get another Patek/Rolex/AP.
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Old 2 November 2022, 07:25 AM   #33
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I previously wrote a thread here about buying a 3861 vs a Snoopy 50th. I tried both but ultimately felt the Snoopy isn't worth the grey market prices. Bought the 3861 via AD and remained quite happy with it until today.

Most ADs will not get a Snoopy from Omega. It is mainly for their boutiques and its required spending history to get one from the OB is approx. 60k USD. The required spend history to buy the Snoopy is simply not worth it when I can get another Patek/Rolex/AP.
For which you’d need an equivalent spend with a Rolex, AP, Patel dealer no doubt.
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Old 2 November 2022, 10:04 AM   #34
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This 60K history with the boutique is pretty odd.
I got a Snoopy and had zero history, I personally know other 3 clients that had very minimal history, in the 5-10K range… and got the Watch as well.
The only thing we have in common is that we expressed our interest Long time ago, before they opened the list.
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Old 2 November 2022, 10:05 PM   #35
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Me and my friends received the Silver snoopy without much purchase history.

I had bought one stainless steel Seamaster from the OB few years ago and I received my snoopy being one of the 1st few who express the interest of the watch.
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Old 3 November 2022, 03:25 AM   #36
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Me and my friends received the Silver snoopy without much purchase history.



I had bought one stainless steel Seamaster from the OB few years ago and I received my snoopy being one of the 1st few who express the interest of the watch.
Sounds like if you expressed interest before the whole watch industry went crazy you could have gotten one. But in 2022, there's no way I can obtain one now unless I pre-pay for a 60th anniversary edition without knowing anything LOL

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Old 3 November 2022, 05:39 AM   #37
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Don't really get this. The Snoopy seems to be quite available, but very in demand... the 321 on the other hand is the real classic in the making, it's a far superior watch and movement with a production run that's now being shared with other watches. Can't help but think in 5 years time people are going to be asking why they were chasing the Snoopy rather than the 321!!!
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Old 3 November 2022, 05:44 AM   #38
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Don't really get this. The Snoopy seems to be quite available, but very in demand... the 321 on the other hand is the real classic in the making, it's a far superior watch and movement with a production run that's now being shared with other watches. Can't help but think in 5 years time people are going to be asking why they were chasing the Snoopy rather than the 321!!!
I think the 321 is all about the movement and history whereas the Snoopy is all about design.

My personal opinion is that in the long term, a good design wins. Case in point is the BMW Z8 which has poor review on how the car handles, but it's very desirable because of how it looks and its association to James Bond. It's like that with the Snoopy IMHO.

It's available in the secondary market, but not available at all in a boutique at retail price. Do you agree? If not, tell me where to get it at retail and I'll pay up.
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Old 3 November 2022, 05:46 AM   #39
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Don't really get this. The Snoopy seems to be quite available, but very in demand... the 321 on the other hand is the real classic in the making, it's a far superior watch and movement with a production run that's now being shared with other watches. Can't help but think in 5 years time people are going to be asking why they were chasing the Snoopy rather than the 321!!!
To the average Joe, the 321 looks like a regular Speedmaster. You'd have to really know and understand the Speedmaster to appreciate the 321. The Snoopy 50 is easy to see why it's different. Blue and silver dial with a Snoopy in a subdial along with the animation caseback makes it visually different enough from a regular Speedy.
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Don't really get this. The Snoopy seems to be quite available, but very in demand... the 321 on the other hand is the real classic in the making, it's a far superior watch and movement with a production run that's now being shared with other watches. Can't help but think in 5 years time people are going to be asking why they were chasing the Snoopy rather than the 321!!!
The average Joe doesn't know about the 321 and as someone has already mentioned, will probably not be able to easily discern the difference betweent the two. Even if the 321 was more readily available, I imagine many first time buyers would lean towards purchasing one of the two, more affordable, 3861 offerings.

The Snoopy looks very unique and has a cool party trick on the backside. As such, it could easily fit into any collection, large or small. From my personal experience, the Snoopy is just as difficult or more difficult than getting listed for a 321. If you have any info on where the Snoopy is more readily available, I'm sure the OP and many other forum members would definitely appreciate it.

Far superior? Nope, not for me especially considering it's almost double the cost of a 3861 Speedy. But that comes down to personal preference. I personally like the new Sapphire 3861 over the 321. Price, size, and aesthetically speaking. True, the 321 has a proven movement with long history, but I prefer the new METAS certified 3861 movement currently in this iteration of the Snoopy.

The great thing about this hobby is there is enough variety out there for everyone and their preferences.
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Don't really get this. The Snoopy seems to be quite available, but very in demand... the 321 on the other hand is the real classic in the making, it's a far superior watch and movement with a production run that's now being shared with other watches. Can't help but think in 5 years time people are going to be asking why they were chasing the Snoopy rather than the 321!!!
I’ve got both and I’m not sure I’d call it far superior. In some aspects it’s inferior. But it has a history and a charm the other doesn’t. it’s the one that will stand the test of time. To that extent, I agree with you and I prefer it over the snoopy.

But everyone is different and I accept the point above about preferring a sapphire 3861 - it’s a great watch and just depends on your preferences. For me, having been through most steel versions the 321 is the best steel speedmaster made, and everything I ever wanted in one.
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Old 3 November 2022, 07:32 AM   #42
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I've now seen the Snoopy trade for under $20K versus $30K earlier this year. It's definitely dropping just like everything else. What's interesting is that it seems super rare, yet there are so many circulating on the grey market. Still a big premium to go grey, but not the spread of a SS Daytona, despite being far rarer.
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Don't really get this. The Snoopy seems to be quite available, but very in demand... the 321 on the other hand is the real classic in the making, it's a far superior watch and movement with a production run that's now being shared with other watches. Can't help but think in 5 years time people are going to be asking why they were chasing the Snoopy rather than the 321!!!
If you care little for the Moon Landing aspect of the regular Speedmaster, then its just a well made mechanical chronograph

To the casual observer (or someone who doesnt care about NASA) the 321 looks pretty much the same a regular speedy but is 3x the price

At least the Snoopy has an interesting design and color scheme to make it stand out from the sea of Speedmasters that all look the same from 3 feet away

I can think of 20 Speedmasters I'd rather have over a 321
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I've now seen the Snoopy trade for under $20K versus $30K earlier this year. It's definitely dropping just like everything else. What's interesting is that it seems super rare, yet there are so many circulating on the grey market. Still a big premium to go grey, but not the spread of a SS Daytona, despite being far rarer.
Not calling you out but can you link? I’m in the market for one, I’ve only seen 30
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Not calling you out but can you link? I’m in the market for one, I’ve only seen 30
Last one on Moda was 20.9k

My mom does this to me all the time telling me I could have gotten a better deal. So one time I said, here's the exact cash you said I should have spend. Please get me the product. I didn't get the product. She gave me my money back after about 2 weeks.

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Last one on Moda was 20.9k

My mom does this to me all the time telling me I could have gotten a better deal. So one time I said, here's the exact cash you said I should have spend. Please get me the product. I didn't get the product. She gave me my money back after about 2 weeks.

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How did this turn into the Snoopy vs. 321 thread?

They are both difficult to get at retail, we can all agree to that.

To the OP, I suggest you call around to different Omega boutiques to try your luck. I had no spend history with Omega period, and landed a 321 from the only boutique in Canada.

The turn around was 7 months … nothing required other than a genuine inquiry that lead to several conversations with the boutique SA and ultimately the sale. I never had to visit ( it’s clean across the country, some 2700 miles away).

That’s not to brag, but just to say, you don’t need a huge spend history to get what you want, at least that’s how it seemed to work for me
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How did this turn into the Snoopy vs. 321 thread?



They are both difficult to get at retail, we can all agree to that.



To the OP, I suggest you call around to different Omega boutiques to try your luck. I had no spend history with Omega period, and landed a 321 from the only boutique in Canada.



The turn around was 7 months … nothing required other than a genuine inquiry that lead to several conversations with the boutique SA and ultimately the sale. I never had to visit ( it’s clean across the country, some 2700 miles away).



That’s not to brag, but just to say, you don’t need a huge spend history to get what you want, at least that’s how it seemed to work for me
That's good to hear. However I've proceed with my secondary market dealer. Should be getting it some time next week.

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How did this turn into the Snoopy vs. 321 thread?

They are both difficult to get at retail, we can all agree to that.

To the OP, I suggest you call around to different Omega boutiques to try your luck. I had no spend history with Omega period, and landed a 321 from the only boutique in Canada.

The turn around was 7 months … nothing required other than a genuine inquiry that lead to several conversations with the boutique SA and ultimately the sale. I never had to visit ( it’s clean across the country, some 2700 miles away).

That’s not to brag, but just to say, you don’t need a huge spend history to get what you want, at least that’s how it seemed to work for me
I agree they are both hard to get - however I suspect the demand for the snoop is (or at least was) greater than the 321 which is very likely produced in smaller quantities than the snoop.

I suspect trying to get on a list for an already over subscribed watch may be fruitless.

If it were me and I really wanted it, I’d look for the best grey price I could and bite the bullet.
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I agree they are both hard to get - however I suspect the demand for the snoop is (or at least was) greater than the 321 which is very likely produced in smaller quantities than the snoop.



I suspect trying to get on a list for an already over subscribed watch may be fruitless.



If it were me and I really wanted it, I’d look for the best grey price I could and bite the bullet.
nothing wrong with either approach.

I haven't been keeping up with grey pricing on either reference lately. Assuming they've come down to more reasonable levels.

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I agree they are both hard to get - however I suspect the demand for the snoop is (or at least was) greater than the 321 which is very likely produced in smaller quantities than the snoop.

I suspect trying to get on a list for an already over subscribed watch may be fruitless.

If it were me and I really wanted it, I’d look for the best grey price I could and bite the bullet.

I see 4-5 snoopy BNIB for every EW on the secondary markets. I suspect you’re correct demand is higher for snoopy. EW is a WIS special snoopy appears to have more broad appeal but much higher annual production.
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nothing wrong with either approach.

I haven't been keeping up with grey pricing on either reference lately. Assuming they've come down to more reasonable levels.

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I think they have softened slightly. That said, per previous snoops, is it likely to go down much (albeit I reckon they’ve ready sold more of these than the last 2).

Who knows - but I don’t think there is much mileage in rocking Up to an OB now for the snoop. The 321 maybe as that has a more limited interest.
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It is true. They look nothing alike :-)

This is nuts. Pro looks smaller
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Congrats! Pics please when it happens.
Hopefully tomorrow. But knowing FedEx they'll probably come when I'm in a virual meeting and leave before I can say I'll be right back and make me wait until the next day.
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It's here! Brand new.

BUT, I immediately ran into a problem. The strap is very stiff. Even if it's broken in, my wrist is too small for the strap. The watch dial itself is fine, but I enjoy my watch tight and secure and the holes in the strap doss not allow me to do it. What are my options?

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It's here! Brand new.

BUT, I immediately ran into a problem. The strap is very stiff. Even if it's broken in, my wrist is too small for the strap. The watch dial itself is fine, but I enjoy my watch tight and secure and the holes in the strap doss not allow me to do it. What are my options?

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Very nice, congratulations!
Maybe you could consider the steel bracelet of the 3861.
You can adjust that pretty well and have the tight/sharp fit you are looking for.
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Very nice, congratulations!
Maybe you could consider the steel bracelet of the 3861.
You can adjust that pretty well and have the tight/sharp fit you are looking for.
Thought about it, but it'd be less blue...
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