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mderobe · 19 January 2015, 11:41 AM

Hi All,

Wondering your opinions on this 1966 5513 that is being sold locally. I am going to look at it tomorrow but would like to hear your expert advice.

Thanks in advance!

Michael M. · 19 January 2015, 01:09 PM

Could you post larger pictures? Dial looks refinished, but it is hard to tell for sure as the pictures are miniature.

Andad · 19 January 2015, 01:21 PM

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mderobe · 19 January 2015, 02:10 PM

Sorry for the small photos. That's what I get from trying to do this from my phone

mderobe · 19 January 2015, 02:26 PM

Sorry, larger images attached.

springer · 19 January 2015, 03:05 PM

Box and Submariner pamphlet are correct for that era. Bracelet has been replaced along with the bezel insert. What's the serial number?

mderobe · 19 January 2015, 03:16 PM

1.6 million serial

omitohud · 19 January 2015, 06:01 PM

Serial is correct but there is no swiss t<25. Unlikely hidden under rehout.

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omitohud · 19 January 2015, 06:01 PM

Sorry double post

Beaumont Miller II · 20 January 2015, 02:33 AM

In fairness to everyone here the pictures can get pretty blurry when you enlarge them.

The dial is either refinished (best case scenario) or fake (worst case scenario). Further investigation, the intent of the seller and his knowledge of the reference will help determine this. I would not consider this watch for a potential purchase.

Starting from the top of the dial, the tail of the second hand is obscuring the coronet which does not help the evaluation of the dial. The text of the depth rating and Submariner printed below it is wrong. The "2" should be directly over the "S" and the "6" should be directly over the "R". Even with the blurry pics, I think you can see this is not the case. In addition it appears that the font may not be correct as well. Here is a pic which shows the text layout and how it should look.

I do find the bottom of the dial very interesting. The 28, 29, 30, 31, and 32 minute marks should be shorter to allow the "SWISS T <25" text to be on top and approximately level with the other minute marks. What you have on the dial in question is all the minute marks from 28 to 32 are the same height as all the other minute marks. That is a red flag for me. I have included a picture of the bottom of one of my 5513 meters first dials for comparison.

mderobe · 20 January 2015, 04:47 AM

Thank you for the input! Seller says the dial has been redone so going to pass. Thanks again for your advice :)

Beaumont Miller II · 20 January 2015, 05:14 AM

To bad he didn't tell you that in the beginning.

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20 January 2015, 02:33 AM	#10
Beaumont Miller II "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 2,615	In fairness to everyone here the pictures can get pretty blurry when you enlarge them. The dial is either refinished (best case scenario) or fake (worst case scenario). Further investigation, the intent of the seller and his knowledge of the reference will help determine this. I would not consider this watch for a potential purchase. Starting from the top of the dial, the tail of the second hand is obscuring the coronet which does not help the evaluation of the dial. The text of the depth rating and Submariner printed below it is wrong. The "2" should be directly over the "S" and the "6" should be directly over the "R". Even with the blurry pics, I think you can see this is not the case. In addition it appears that the font may not be correct as well. Here is a pic which shows the text layout and how it should look. I do find the bottom of the dial very interesting. The 28, 29, 30, 31, and 32 minute marks should be shorter to allow the "SWISS T <25" text to be on top and approximately level with the other minute marks. What you have on the dial in question is all the minute marks from 28 to 32 are the same height as all the other minute marks. That is a red flag for me. I have included a picture of the bottom of one of my 5513 meters first dials for comparison. __________________

20 January 2015, 05:14 AM	#12
Beaumont Miller II "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 2,615	To bad he didn't tell you that in the beginning. __________________

19 January 2015, 01:09 PM	#2
Michael M. Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 8,391	Could you post larger pictures? Dial looks refinished, but it is hard to tell for sure as the pictures are miniature.

19 January 2015, 03:16 PM	#7
mderobe Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: us Posts: 22	1.6 million serial

20 January 2015, 04:47 AM	#11
mderobe Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: us Posts: 22	Thank you for the input! Seller says the dial has been redone so going to pass. Thanks again for your advice :)

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