Unpolish 71 redsub deep patina beautyyy

[2JHead]

Originally Posted by Vincent65

Some people just don't want to accept the apparently unthinkable possibility that a watch hasn't been polished before! Haha. There are some owners who simply either didn't wear their watch much, or never had it serviced. Just did nothing - for decades. It does happen. Basic law of probability; millions made and sold, not all were worn heavily or serviced multiple times. Some... never. Making absolute statements about something someone has never owned, held or even seen in person is a bit silly. IMHO...

I love the watch and it is certainly better than my red sub, but unpolished...gonna have to agree with Springer here.

It has evidence of service as it has a servie or possibly aftermarket crystal.

It has an inconsistency in the 11 o'clock lug chamfer that looks non-factory.

The CG's look polished (although not alot)

Don't wanna talk down the watch but well it is a discussion forum.

[Vincent65]

Originally Posted by 2JHead

I love the watch and it is certainly better than my red sub, but unpolished...gonna have to agree with Springer here.

It has evidence of service as it has a servie or possibly aftermarket crystal.

It has an inconsistency in the 11 o'clock lug chamfer that looks non-factory.

The CG's look polished (although not alot)

Don't wanna talk down the watch but well it is a discussion forum.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion, of course. And yes, well, it is a discussion forum - correct!

So now it's 'possibly' an 'after-market crystal' as well?! Maybe something else is amiss as well?

Regardless, almost anyone can change a crystal (even me) - doesn't necessarily mean it's been to a RSC, been serviced by anyone at all, or been polished. This one may have been serviced independently; and we are all speculating here (except, perhaps, the new owner/seller/previous owner who may know things no-one else does about the history of the watch, and it has therefore been stated that it's unpolished).

My MKIV 1680 is unpolished, and the dealer had a new crystal put on it at my request, although I saw it first with the original one installed and that was also supplied with the watch. Still got the old, beaten-up original. Didn't go to RSC to have genuine Rolex crystal installed. Wasn't polished either.

As for 'non-factory inconsistencies' - again that is subjective, and there's been plenty of discussions and photographic evidence (NOS examples, and even Rolex catalogue photos) where lugs and CGs are not precisely symmetrical.


Edit: and by the way, I see no inconsistency on the 11'oclock lug chamfer, or anywhere else on this case. Please point out what you mean.

[buenosdias]

Huge congrats!!!! Fantastic RedSub

[The_Walrus]

Beauty, congrats

[TimeToGo]

Originally Posted by Vincent65

Some people just don't want to accept the apparently unthinkable possibility that a watch hasn't been polished before! Haha. There are some owners who simply either didn't wear their watch much, or never had it serviced. Just did nothing - for decades. It does happen. Basic law of probability; millions made and sold, not all were worn heavily or serviced multiple times. Some... never. Making absolute statements about something someone has never owned, held or even seen in person is a bit silly. IMHO...

You are babbling...

How can you say people are not willing to accept the "unthinkable" or basic law of probability...Bla, bla, bla.. Of course there are unpolished watches out there!

The pictures are clear and indeed a very nice watch but the chamfers are not original.

So then, Mr. Vincen65, my question to you is - Do you think this case is "unpolished"...that this case was not refreshed?

[Vincent65]

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

You are babbling...

How can you say people are not willing to accept the "unthinkable" or basic law of probability...Bla, bla, bla.. Of course there are unpolished watches out there!

The pictures are clear and indeed a very nice watch but the chamfers are not original.

So then, Mr. Vincen65, my question to you is - Do you think this case is "unpolished"...that this case was not refreshed?

Blah blah babbling bollox yourself, 'Mr. Time To Go' - ask Andrew Shear, because you're essentially calling him and/or the OP a liar.

How can you say you know it's been polished? Did you polish it?

[TimeToGo]

Originally Posted by Vincent65

Blah blah babbling bollox yourself, 'Mr. Time To Go' - ask Andrew Shear, because you're essentially calling him and/or the OP a liar.

How can you say you know it's been polished? Did you polish it?

I figured you would not answer the question.

[Vincent65]

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

I figured you would not answer the question.

Likewise
You didn't answer mine.

And, for the record, Mr. Vincent65 doesn't think it's been polished.

Now you answer my question, wise-guy.

[1675-David]

lovely watch, congratulations! Andrew Shear always has the best examples..

[Presa canary]

Stunning...
Back to eating popcorn

[stillsane]

I would be proud to own that one.

[teohache]

OHH yes it has one service one the firts pics, and know a Superdome change in less then 10 minute, and original top hat of the watch on the house. Always gonna be diferent thinking but i know what i get and from who i acquired.

[teohache]

Agree with Vincent, only 3 people knows for sure, ( past owner ( came from a family), Dealer ( Andrew Shear) and owner ( me ). above a few more pics for chamfers Speculation.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by 2JHead

I love the watch and it is certainly better than my red sub, but unpolished...gonna have to agree with Springer here.

It has evidence of service as it has a servie or possibly aftermarket crystal.

It has an inconsistency in the 11 o'clock lug chamfer that looks non-factory.

The CG's look polished (although not alot)

Don't wanna talk down the watch but well it is a discussion forum.

Perhaps there should be two categories included in the description of a vintage case: "Unpolished" and/or "Not refinished." There's a difference. A watch's lugs (tops and chamfers) can be restored and refreshed, without the case sides being polished. If the case sides have not been polished but the chamfers have been re-cut, you could still argue that the case has not been "polished," which implies the sides of the case. I'd say, just from the photos, that it looks as if the lugs have been refinished but the sides of the case look as if they could be untouched. Hard to say for sure, of course.

Either way, beautiful red Sub!!

[Storky]

Beautiful Red! Great case & patina.
If it has had a sympathetic refinish ... so what?!
From experience there is a huge difference between a light refinish/refresh and a bodge polish job. The watches are essentially tool watches that got a hard time, so to find one that has a great case like this is a result! Most of them get a few 'dings' that are easy to remove without any noticeable reduction of lug thickness etc, but I've seen cases that have obviously had marks filed out then been shoved hard against a coarse polishing mop for half an hour, this rounds everything off, burns your fingers and 'pulls out' the case holes... yuk! (The wrong way to do it)
... and I know for a fact that AD's (lightly) refinish NEW stock sometimes, as watches on display get knocked against each other.

There... I've had my say!

[Michael M.]

Congrats on a fantastic 1680. Andrew is the best!

Case looks unpolished to me..

[subx]

beautiful 1680 with thick case,

will not throw fire on the refinish / non refinish debate :)

[Wesley Crusher]

Refinished or not, that's a beautiful watch. Congrats!

[azguy]

That's hardcore patine

[Loevhagen]

Nice sub. :)

BTW: Chamfers and how they look can vary from that time, since they were made by hand and thus not exactly alike.

[Storky]

Originally Posted by Loevhagen

Nice sub. :)

BTW: Chamfers and how they look can vary from that time, since they were made by hand and thus not exactly alike.

X2

[Zoran]

Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

Refinished or not, that's a beautiful watch. Congrats!

I agree! She's a real beauty and I am sure you will get a lot of pleasure from wearing that watch!

Congratulations!

[willang]

Originally Posted by Zoran

I agree! She's a real beauty and I am sure you will get a lot of pleasure from wearing that watch!

Congratulations!

X3.

[thejerseyrock]

Thats a real beauty! X4

[greekbum]

Thats a stunning watch you got :) Its one of the nicest red subs I have seen in a while. It almost looks never worn and without a scratch. The crown was updated to a trip lock at some time during service also :)

[jedly1]

with the greatest of respect , (and remember I'm the first in the queue to say all this 'unpolished'' nonsense is just that) , there is nothing in those pictures that would allow anyone to say definitively that the watch has or hasn't been polished. from photos only it could well be unpolished, equally it could have had a light polish, no one is claiming NOS as far as i can tell.

it appears good enough that without holding it in my hand, and looking at it properly down the case sides in 3dimension i wouldn't want, or be able to state a DEFINITIVE opinion and I'm amazed anyone else feels they can.

HOWEVER ..

......if Andrew, who has more experienced than most of the people on this board added together, HAS held it in his hand , HAS inspected in person , and HAS put his name to it as unpolished then i have zero problem accepting that and personally i find pissing on someone elses excitement more than a bit rude.

as for the glass.... depends what a customer wants , if waterproof is the requirement it would be swapped,

as for the crown , depends on the serial a bit , but 3 dots is no problem if its no o ring early crown and tube, but equally if someone has wanted waterproof along the way they its no big deal either.


nice watch , congrats, i hope it brings you a lot of pleasure for years to come.

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by Vincent65

Blah blah babbling bollox yourself, 'Mr. Time To Go'

1. NO PERSONAL ATTACKS OR INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE (and WE MEAN IT).

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=8936

Bear this in mind, please.

[stmoore]

Wonderful red sub. You did very well and should be proud of your watch. Even the insert is proper vintage! Buying from Andrew is a smart move. As Jed said, if Andrew endorses the watch then that's all I need to know.

[themaninblack]

Originally Posted by Vincent65

Some people just don't want to accept the apparently unthinkable possibility that a watch hasn't been polished before! Haha. There are some owners who simply either didn't wear their watch much, or never had it serviced. Just did nothing - for decades. It does happen. Basic law of probability; millions made and sold, not all were worn heavily or serviced multiple times. Some... never. Making absolute statements about something someone has never owned, held or even seen in person is a bit silly. IMHO...

True, this watch has possibly been polished and possibly not but any watch that goes to a RSC for service gets polished unless the owner expressly instructs them not to.

[Dries]

Congrats! That's a stunner