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Old 21 July 2016, 06:55 AM   #61
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This watch is a fugazzi guys. I must admit that I have seen thousands of fakes and this one really got passed me. I truly believed that this was a genuine Sub and upon side-by-side pictures it becomes evident of the antithesis. Scary stuff. Thank you to the OP for having the balls to stand up to everyone. Even if the watch somehow turns out to be genuine the concerns that were pointed out were all very legitimate ones.
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Old 21 July 2016, 07:04 AM   #62
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That is how the gen platinum color looks it's more creamy


This is how the sellers insert color looks. Darker




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Rep marker on the left - wider
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So the guy just posted high res pics.

As I had mentioned earlier. Here are the list of things that are wrong with it.

Again the printing on the dial appears to be a lighter shade of grey not white like it is on gen dial.

The 6 and 9 markers are wrong.

The date is misaligned.

The cyclops is missing the AR.

The platinum finish on the insert is too dark.

The black color of the insert is also wrong.



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Sorry still not convinced. The above pictures of the bezel are 2 random pictures off the internet, not of the watch in question. Same goes for the hour markers. 6,9 marker from the comparison, very hard to tell, date being misaligned looks more like a tilt of the watch, platinum finish, black color of the bezel could be poor lighting. With all that said, I'm also not saying it is legit. The seller needs to take it and have it opened and pictures taken of the movement, by a certified watchmaker.
My problem from the beginning was the way it was handled, and the lack of facts. The OP has since been back and gave facts, everyone appreciates that. The seller has also complied and taken more photos, everyone appreciates that. I have no dog in this fight, and just want to see what is right done. Hopefully the seller can come back with some solid proof, and everyone can move on. If the seller was duped, then that really sucks.
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Old 21 July 2016, 07:16 AM   #63
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Wow, what an eye opening thread.

Thank you OP.

Looking @ the pics does seem to indicate something is not quite right with this watch & if the watch is indeed a fake it's rather scary. At quick glance that would for the untrained eye easily pass off as a gen

I would like to think that karanrolex1984 is a genuine seller who sadly ended up buying a fake unknowingly.
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Old 21 July 2016, 07:29 AM   #64
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Wow, what an eye opening thread.

Thank you OP.

Looking @ the pics does seem to indicate something is not quite right with this watch & if the watch is indeed a fake it's rather scary. At quick glance that would for the untrained eye easily pass off as a gen

I would like to think that karanrolex1984 is a genuine seller who sadly ended up buying a fake unknowingly.
Exactly, I do think there is a slight chance that the seller was sold a fake watch and given how good they have gotten, most would have fallen for it. But if I was the seller, I would go back to the party that I bought it from. Speaking of which, we are still waiting to hear from the seller how he acquired this watch.

I wasnt planning on buying this submariner and how others have said, I dont buy the watch I buy the seller. I just didnt want someone falling for it and then finding out that its a fake which I promise you it is.
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Old 21 July 2016, 07:31 AM   #65
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Sorry still not convinced. The above pictures of the bezel are 2 random pictures off the internet, not of the watch in question. Same goes for the hour markers. 6,9 marker from the comparison, very hard to tell, date being misaligned looks more like a tilt of the watch, platinum finish, black color of the bezel could be poor lighting. With all that said, I'm also not saying it is legit. The seller needs to take it and have it opened and pictures taken of the movement, by a certified watchmaker.
My problem from the beginning was the way it was handled, and the lack of facts. The OP has since been back and gave facts, everyone appreciates that. The seller has also complied and taken more photos, everyone appreciates that. I have no dog in this fight, and just want to see what is right done. Hopefully the seller can come back with some solid proof, and everyone can move on. If the seller was duped, then that really sucks.
Sorry but thats on you. The two pictures I posted of bezels were taken by me. I have seen these bezels and dials up close so I know what I am talking about.
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Old 21 July 2016, 07:36 AM   #66
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Sorry but thats on you. The two pictures I posted of bezels were taken by me. I have seen these bezels and dials up close so I know what I am talking about.
It very well could be.
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Old 21 July 2016, 07:37 AM   #67
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Interesting and informative thread.
I think that under most circumstances, the seller on this forum would have the benefit of the doubt, but with only 12 posts here, I'm not sure that applies.
I gotta say, the date wheel does look way off to me, especially in this picture: I don't think any camera angle can produce this:

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Old 21 July 2016, 07:40 AM   #68
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This is exactly why I am a vintage guy... far less (if any) fakes currently being produced and the ones that were produced are not very convincing... the fakes currently being produced of the newer models are getting crazy!
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Old 21 July 2016, 07:44 AM   #69
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This is exactly why I am a vintage guy... far less (if any) fakes currently being produced and the ones that were produced are not very convincing... the fakes currently being produced of the newer models are getting crazy!
JV, you always have a great selection and are a top notch seller...
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Old 21 July 2016, 07:51 AM   #70
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The font on the dial is wrong as well.

300m font is wrong & the spacing is completely off
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Old 21 July 2016, 07:51 AM   #71
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This is exactly why I am a vintage guy... far less (if any) fakes currently being produced and the ones that were produced are not very convincing... the fakes currently being produced of the newer models are getting crazy!

Agree. That is why I have sold all my modern Rolex and have decided to go vintage with my Rolex SS sport watch purchases. That and I like the look of the pre-ceramic models a lot better.

And you have some beautiful pieces by the way.


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Old 21 July 2016, 08:23 AM   #72
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The font on the dial is wrong as well.

300m font is wrong & the spacing is completely off
yep...
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Old 21 July 2016, 08:26 AM   #73
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The watch is fake. No more discussion needed.
I hope admins take necessary action for this.
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Old 21 July 2016, 08:58 AM   #74
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Exactly, I do think there is a slight chance that the seller was sold a fake watch and given how good they have gotten, most would have fallen for it.
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If the seller was duped, then that really sucks.
The only problem with the "I didn't know it was fake" defense in this case, is that the seller had another 116610 for sale on WUS last year (different watch), that looks like a probable fake as well:
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/rol...9-2166266.html

Here are close-ups of the horrible clasp "leg" fitment on the current watch (1st pic), and the other one he had listed on WUS (2nd pic).
On the current watch you can also see that the oval on the coronet hangs down too far, and is not as elliptical as it should be:



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Old 21 July 2016, 09:14 AM   #75
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Another great reason why I would never purchase a Rolex online. I think I would have to meet at a AD and get everything checked before I paid a lot of money for it. Until then I would be to worried about getting screwed.
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Old 21 July 2016, 09:26 AM   #76
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Outstanding job, Sachal!

After seeing the most recent pictures I can see that the watch is absolutely without a doubt fake.

I hope I'm not being naive in hoping that the seller got duped and he honestly thought it was real.

The date gives it away. I've never seen a replica that's gotten it right.

Here's the fake on the left vs my genuine on the right.

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Old 21 July 2016, 09:35 AM   #77
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That sachal007 guy knows that watch, good catch. I would ban him, obviously a fake.
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Old 21 July 2016, 09:37 AM   #78
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The only problem with the "I didn't know it was fake" defense in this case, is that the seller had another 116610 for sale on WUS last year (different watch), that looks like a probable fake as well:


Here are close-ups of the horrible clasp "leg" fitment on the current watch (1st pic), and the other one he had listed on WUS (2nd pic).
On the current watch you can also see that the oval on the coronet hangs down too far, and is not as elliptical as it should be:
Well spotted.

I hope admins will give OP thanks he deserves for this one!
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Old 21 July 2016, 09:52 AM   #79
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The only problem with the "I didn't know it was fake" defense in this case, is that the seller had another 116610 for sale on WUS last year (different watch), that looks like a probable fake as well:
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/rol...9-2166266.html

Here are close-ups of the horrible clasp "leg" fitment on the current watch (1st pic), and the other one he had listed on WUS (2nd pic).
On the current watch you can also see that the oval on the coronet hangs down too far, and is not as elliptical as it should be:



Eric, great research. Based on this, I'd say the seller has done it before and knows exactly what he has. Well done OP also.....
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Old 21 July 2016, 10:00 AM   #80
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I know we are in the weeds right now about the clasp's coronet and wonder what you think. How is this one below, same or different, from those picked from seller's listings.





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Old 21 July 2016, 10:03 AM   #81
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Good job sasch... Eagle eye ;)
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Old 21 July 2016, 10:17 AM   #82
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Actually looking at mine which is only 4 days old, on the clasp where is says Rolex surrounded by the swirl thing. Mine is shiny his looks brushed or dull
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Old 21 July 2016, 10:32 AM   #83
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Huge request to all scammers/ low ballers please stay away!

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Old 21 July 2016, 10:33 AM   #84
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Actually looking at mine which is only 4 days old, on the clasp where is says Rolex surrounded by the swirl thing. Mine is shiny his looks brushed or dull
That of itself means nothing.
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Old 21 July 2016, 10:46 AM   #85
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This is exactly why I am a vintage guy... far less (if any) fakes currently being produced and the ones that were produced are not very convincing... the fakes currently being produced of the newer models are getting crazy!
The next time you buy a fake Comex for $100k you might want to rethink your strategy.
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I agree with the OP. The watch is a fake. Nice catch.

Mods - Please ban the seller and remove the listing.

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Old 21 July 2016, 11:18 AM   #87
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The seller obviously claims that he didn't know....and thought it was real.

The problem is how can one be confident it was a mistake and a not deliberate fake posting?

The seller has been reasonably co-operative, but then it appears this is not the first occasion of a non-genuine listing if the statement about his activity on WUS is correct?

I think a severe penalty is the only way, but its obviously not my decision.
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Old 21 July 2016, 11:22 AM   #89
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Hahahahahaha that is (bleepin) perfect.
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This has been extremely interesting to say the least.

Not an expert by any means, but that lume pip is the most obvious thing that immediately stood out.

Great job OP.
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