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17 March 2020, 10:15 AM | #2311 |
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50 million dead. 500 million infected. And a large percentage of fatalities were people from 20-40 years old who died of cytokine storms, an internal chemical death caused by their robust immune systems. Even today with state-of-the-art treatment, the mortality rate of cytokine storm is 27%. These infections can happen again.
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17 March 2020, 10:20 AM | #2313 |
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This has horrible potential in the US and worldwide! As far as we have advanced as a society, we are still being beaten up by a microbe.
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17 March 2020, 10:21 AM | #2314 |
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Actually I would welcome your continued informed participation. On a thread like this the volume of posts is irrelevant and none of us are uniquely qualified to comment.
No disrespect VCTguy intended but none of us have an opinion on this situation that outweighs the opinions of others. I would rather hear from any and all and draw my own conclusions rather than have people metaphorically shouted down. Particularly the doctors on medical threads, pro investors on investment threads, etc.... |
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You might be right, I was speaking off the cuff. I have seen first hand medical miracles, and have faith in our capabilities... I really hope I’m right and they cut this thing off before more people die. Meanwhile, as I’m sitting in a coffeshop it looks like California is going to mandatory take-out only! Wow! |
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Right now I have to run, the shop I am in is closing due to the virus! Crap! |
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17 March 2020, 10:29 AM | #2322 |
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Medical science is a while out before a formal vaccine... I've heard 1 to 1.5 years, so hoping is not really gonna get us there, I'm afraid... but rather listening to the advice of the health experts by washing hands, and staying home as much as possible... I certainly wouldn't be sitting in a coffee shop if you didn't absolutley have to. My 2¢
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Guess I’ll be spending a lot of lonely evenings at home, oh well I do normally anyway |
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Austrialia and China have said anti malaria and anti HIV may work as well in observed cases of experimental treatment. |
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That's correct, widespread distribution is what I meant. It takes a long time to test and then produce (from what I have read).
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But as I was Always told prepare for the worst but hope for the best. That’s the way I’m handling it, stocking up on food while my family has the chance and getting ready to hunker down. I’m in construction and my industry was just shut down for 2 weeks per the mayor. I would also rather stay away from people because I would feel extremely guilty if I ever found out I had this virus and gave it to anyone else. I think a lot of people who aren’t taking this seriously and pretending everything should be business as usual is not safe. I hope I’m wrong but like I said I would be disappointed in myself if my stupidity hurt anyone else. |
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Moderna is the outfit who is first mover on the US vaccine. They are using Messenger RNA tech to engineer a vaccine. Rather fast timeframe - I hope the first recipient has positive outcome for the purpose of testing safety. They hit NIH & FDA fastrack process ahead of all others. Here’s a bit about the timeline of Moderna’s response and a link: On January 11, 2020, the Chinese authorities shared the genetic sequence of the novel coronavirus. On January 13, 2020, the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH) and Moderna’s infectious disease research team finalized the sequence for mRNA-1273, the Company’s vaccine against the novel coronavirus. At that time, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of NIH, disclosed their intent to run a Phase 1 study using the mRNA-1273 vaccine in response to the coronavirus threat and Moderna mobilized toward clinical manufacture. Manufacture of this batch was funded by the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI). On February 7, 2020, the first clinical batch, including fill and finishing of vials, was completed, a total of 25 days from sequence selection to vaccine manufacture. The batch then proceeded to analytical testing for release. On February 24, 2020, the clinical batch was shipped from Moderna to the NIH for use in their Phase 1 clinical study. On March 4, 2020, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) completed its review of the Investigational New Drug (IND) application filed by the NIH for mRNA-1273 and allowed to the study to proceed to begin clinical trials. On March 16, 2020, the NIH announced that the first participant in its Phase 1 study for mRNA-1273 was dosed, a total of 63 days from sequence selection to first human dosing. https://www.modernatx.com/modernas-w...ainst-covid-19 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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Thanks and for anyone that does not know how this works (my wife is in the industry) this is very fast and about time the fda cut down some red tape. Now it will take time to go through the data from a safety and efficacy stand point but if it all goes well then let’s just pray it gets out there ASAP and that this virus doesn’t mutate for the worse . |
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The thread continues to be highly useful so please do keep it open.
I’m filling my car and getting some cash out tomorrow morning. The office at work is about to go into hibernation/ very limited use for a month and we will bunker down at home to play our part in social distancing.
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Let me apologize for the tone. I have enormous respect for the courtesy and tone of TRF. My bad.
Coronavirus team presented 15 DAYS TO SLOW THE SPREAD program. 15 DAYS TO SLOW THE SPREAD • Listen and follow the directions of your STATE AND LOCAL AUTHORITIES • IF YOU FEEL SICK, stay at home. Do not go to work. Contact a medical provider. • IF YOUR CHILDREN ARE SICK, keep them at home. Do not send them to school. Contact your medical provider. • IF SOMEONE IN YOUR HOUSEHOLD HAS TESTED POSITIVE for the coronavirus, keep the entire household at home. Do not go to work. Do not go to school. Contact your medical provider • IF YOU’RE AN OLDER PERSON, stay at home and away from other people. • IF YOU ARE A PERSON WITH A SERIOUS UNDERLYING HEALTH CONDITION that can put you at increased risk (for example a condition that impairs your lung or heart function or weakens your immune system), stay home and away from other people. These are all sensible recommendations and should be followed. Despite all the self-congratulation and praise for public-private partnerships we do not have adequate testing. • Our office does not have testing kits. They didn’t mention mortality rates: • Worldwide mortality is currently between 4-8% o Of the cases that have run their full course, mortality is 8%. When you include diagnosed cases that have not reached the peak of illness, it drops to 3.9% • USA mortality o 4598 cases o 86 deaths o 1.9% • World Health Organization estimates mortality at 3%. • Comparison to other viral infections o 3% Covid-19 o 9.6% SARS o 34% MERS o 0.02% Swine Flu o <0.01% Seasonal Influenza No one on the task force mentioned hospitalization rates. • Gov. Cuomo reports a 17% hospitalization rate • Angela Merkel estimates that 40-60% of Germans have been infected Dr. Fauci said the task force did not give consideration to daycares in their analysis. This is a significant oversight. The next set of recommendations should include the closure of daycare facilities. |
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I’m beginning to wonder if I had it back in February and didn’t even know it. I traveled to S.L.P. MX from Jan 28-31 through DFW. This was right at the early onset of reporting of the outbreak over seas. It caught my attention enough to consider not going but I went anyways. By the following Tuesday upon my return I was feeling tired but went to work through Wednesday but went home early. I stayed home Thursday through the weekend, hit the the typical “flu” like symptoms with a fever but never any shortness of breath etc. My oldest (10) was than sick about 5 days later, same thing laid up on the couch for 3-4 days with a fever but then kicked it. Very likely just the “flu” but now I’m wondering...
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I just think it's odd to shut down an entire planet for a pandemic with a 3% mortality rate. My suspicion is it is much higher than what we are being told.
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It could be possible to get COVID-19 more than once, which could hypothetically make for a death toll higher than its mortality rate
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This whole situation is very odd and I don't feel we are getting full disclosure. It won't be long before domestic air travel is severely curbed it halted. Sent from my moto z4 using Tapatalk |
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Welcome back - I think your medical background can be beneficial. Especially if your research helps others to better understand the facts. I understand the frustration and the pressure can result in frayed nerves at times. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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