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Fitzer · 13 September 2019, 07:03 AM

Found a very peculiar old Tudor Sub at a sketchy pawn shop. It's a mishmash of some original vintage Tudor and some not so original aftermarket parts. They told me they bought it thinking it was real and got burned, so they're trying to get out from under it hence the asking price.

I'd like to get more experienced eyes on this thing just to see what all is wrong with it. I know the dial is trash, the bracelet is trash (clasp highly questionable), and the bezel is aftermarket. The movement looks right though, as does case/crown/crystal. Hands are questionable.

Please chime in, I'd like to see if I missed anything obvious when looking at this particular example.

I'm not interested in buying it so much as I am curious about what has all been changed. It's not everyday you just find a vintage Tudor in the pawn shop, thought it would be fun to examine it and learn some things as I'm no vintage Tudor expert.

btinl · 13 September 2019, 07:08 AM

It’s all trash. Pass.

Fitzer · 13 September 2019, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by btinl

It’s all trash. Pass.

Passing regardless. Even the movement is trash?

othertbone · 13 September 2019, 07:44 AM

Woof Woof Woof

Ticked_off · 13 September 2019, 08:23 AM

Yup, pretty much everything is wrong with this watch. Especially the movement...

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Fitzer · 13 September 2019, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Ticked_off

Yup, pretty much everything is wrong with this watch. Especially the movement...

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Please explain for an inexperienced person like me.

offrdmania · 13 September 2019, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Fitzer

Please explain for an inexperienced person like me.

Looks like a cheap Chinese ETA clone movement

dhknola · 13 September 2019, 09:17 AM

I concur with the as stated opinion, run away; logical enough to ask “why” but rest assured, every element of this watch when broken down looks fake to funky. I don’t even think the bracelet looks right. The dial is trash, as are hands. Case looks made in a garage. It’s a mess, I don’t even know if it’s a $200 pawn shop gamble.

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Ticked_off · 13 September 2019, 09:20 AM

The 16520 on the bracelet is a Daytona watch reference. Not a bracelet. The whole thing just looks freaky. Where's the logo on th dial?

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STEELINOX · 13 September 2019, 10:00 AM

kwcsports · 13 September 2019, 10:09 AM

Terrible fake

linesiders · 13 September 2019, 11:22 AM

Eye Bleach

oysterquartz17000 · 13 September 2019, 11:55 AM

Send the owner of the pawnshop a link to this post. How he thought he could get away with that astounds me.

Fitzer · 13 September 2019, 02:19 PM

I stand corrected on thinking the movement and case were right. Pretty wild to see something like this actually exists that is essentially totally fake

zapokee · 13 September 2019, 06:43 PM

Why would a person devote their living to making fakes, with all the equipment, engineering, research and expense that it entails, and get it all so wrong?

sashida · 27 March 2020, 12:44 PM

Rolex Logo on the case back is poorly carved and so is the Rolex logo on the crown, not good.

watchnut100 · 27 March 2020, 03:41 PM

That’s horrible? Pawn shop? He needs to stop if he’s buying crap like this and thinking it’s real.

GLADIATOR · 29 March 2020, 04:53 AM

All trash
Curious which Pawn Shop?
The term "They got burned" means they know its all fake, including the movement

13 September 2019, 07:03 AM	#1
Fitzer "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: USA Watch: 16570/16000 Posts: 36	Pawn Shop Find Vintage Tudor Sub for $2k -- What's all wrong with this thing? Found a very peculiar old Tudor Sub at a sketchy pawn shop. It's a mishmash of some original vintage Tudor and some not so original aftermarket parts. They told me they bought it thinking it was real and got burned, so they're trying to get out from under it hence the asking price. I'd like to get more experienced eyes on this thing just to see what all is wrong with it. I know the dial is trash, the bracelet is trash (clasp highly questionable), and the bezel is aftermarket. The movement looks right though, as does case/crown/crystal. Hands are questionable. Please chime in, I'd like to see if I missed anything obvious when looking at this particular example. I'm not interested in buying it so much as I am curious about what has all been changed. It's not everyday you just find a vintage Tudor in the pawn shop, thought it would be fun to examine it and learn some things as I'm no vintage Tudor expert.

13 September 2019, 10:00 AM	#10
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13 September 2019, 11:22 AM	#12
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29 March 2020, 04:53 AM	#18
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	All trash Curious which Pawn Shop? The term "They got burned" means they know its all fake, including the movement __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

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13 September 2019, 07:08 AM	#2
btinl 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: . Watch: on my wrist Posts: 1,942	It’s all trash. Pass.

13 September 2019, 07:44 AM	#4
othertbone Banned Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Florida, USA Watch: Rolex/AP/Vin Omega Posts: 1,972	Woof Woof Woof

13 September 2019, 08:23 AM	#5
Ticked_off "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 82	Yup, pretty much everything is wrong with this watch. Especially the movement... Sent from my SM-T805W using Tapatalk

13 September 2019, 09:17 AM	#8
dhknola "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: New Orleans Posts: 1,153	I concur with the as stated opinion, run away; logical enough to ask “why” but rest assured, every element of this watch when broken down looks fake to funky. I don’t even think the bracelet looks right. The dial is trash, as are hands. Case looks made in a garage. It’s a mess, I don’t even know if it’s a $200 pawn shop gamble. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

13 September 2019, 09:20 AM	#9
Ticked_off "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 82	The 16520 on the bracelet is a Daytona watch reference. Not a bracelet. The whole thing just looks freaky. Where's the logo on th dial? Sent from my SM-G935W8 using Tapatalk

13 September 2019, 10:09 AM	#11
kwcsports "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Kevin Location: N.S. Canada Posts: 559	Terrible fake

13 September 2019, 11:55 AM	#13
oysterquartz17000 Banned Join Date: May 2019 Location: AWOL Watch: Submariner 16803 Posts: 487	Send the owner of the pawnshop a link to this post. How he thought he could get away with that astounds me.

13 September 2019, 02:19 PM	#14
Fitzer "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: USA Watch: 16570/16000 Posts: 36	I stand corrected on thinking the movement and case were right. Pretty wild to see something like this actually exists that is essentially totally fake

13 September 2019, 06:43 PM	#15
zapokee "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Japan Posts: 4,344	Why would a person devote their living to making fakes, with all the equipment, engineering, research and expense that it entails, and get it all so wrong?

27 March 2020, 12:44 PM	#16
sashida "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: CA Posts: 2	Rolex Logo on the case back is poorly carved and so is the Rolex logo on the crown, not good.

27 March 2020, 03:41 PM	#17
watchnut100 SCUMBAG Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: uk Posts: 341	That’s horrible? Pawn shop? He needs to stop if he’s buying crap like this and thinking it’s real.

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