Why the 'Sub ND snobs but not any 'Cosmo Daytona' snobs?

[jb335]

Why do we have such a vocal group of people so quick to point out the there is no 'Submariner No Date' model name, only 'Submariner' and a 'Submariner Date' models, yet I never hear anyone correct people and say the Daytona is actually named the 'Cosmograph Daytona.'

I have seen the "there is no Sub ND" written hundreds of times, but never a "it's called a Cosmograph Daytona!" comment. Not once. I wonder why we have the selective nit pickiness...

[10XRolex]

Ketchup, catsup. It's all the same.

[Smart Water]

So many dumb threads lately...

[doramas]

The Submariner No Date does not exist

[Grunthos]

I guess that there are many more sub date owners out there that gives the impression that the date version is the standard version. Adding the no date just differentiates the
regular model from the more popular date choice. I don't think there is any snobbery just choice.

[zengineer]

Because there is no Non-Cosmograph Daytona to confuse it with.

Would adding Cosmograph make people feel better about paying double retail for them?

[Maxy]

Originally Posted by Smart Water

So many dumb threads lately...

+ 1 especially if you felt to post it (for someone posting 7 posts in 5 years)!

[Tools]

There is a Sub, and there is a Sub Date, no confusion.

Why would it be snobbish to expect them to be called what they are.

Shouldn't you be calling the Daytona the Daytona non-date?

[drrd]

Originally Posted by doramas

The Submariner No Date does not exist

"Why do we have such a vocal group of people so quick to point out (that) there is no 'Submariner No Date' "



edit: to be fair #4 in the thread is only quite quick

[Calatrava r]

There just is not a Sub no date. Its a Submariner or Submariner Date.

[drrd]

The OP acknowledges there is no 'sub no date'. Sheesh.

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by Tools

There is a Sub, and there is a Sub Date, no confusion.

Why would it be snobbish to expect them to be called what they are.

Shouldn't you be calling the Daytona the Daytona non-date?

There's no Daytona with date so no reason to do that Larry.

[FTX I]

Interesting question OP. If we're on a watch forum it's expected that people use the correct name for watches, so I think that's because the word Cosmograph is part of the official name, albeit not used frequently, and 'No Date' does not exist on the official name. However, the Submariner is in fact a no date watch, and there is a different version with date, so a few decades ago people started using the expression or nickname 'No Date' to distinguish them informally. Like it or not, that makes sense in real life, so unofficially today there's a 'Sub Date' and a 'Sub No Date'. Even Rolex makes the 'mistake' of using the name Submariner when they mean Submariner Date so no big deal IMO.

[Santiago32]

what's the point of this thread?

[enjoythemusic]

i clicked on this thread... can i get 2 minutes of my life back?

[jb335]

Originally Posted by FTX I

Interesting question OP. If we're on a watch forum it's expected that people use the correct name for watches, so I think that's because the word Cosmograph is part of the official name, albeit not used frequently, and 'No Date' does not exist on the official name. However, the Submariner is in fact a no date watch, and there is a different version with date, so a few decades ago people started using the expression or nickname 'No Date' to distinguish them informally. Like it or not, that makes sense in real life, so unofficially today there's a 'Sub Date' and a 'Sub No Date'. Even Rolex makes the 'mistake' of using the name Submariner when they mean Submariner Date so no big deal IMO.

Makes sense. I guess I am just surprised on a forum with at least a group of people that are very sensitive to proper names being used, I have never seen someone type Cosmograph Daytona before. Always just Daytona.

Just a random and trivial observation on my part.

Sorry that my thread was not good enough for many people. I guess I am also trying to take my mind off that subject we can't bring up that is all over the news today....carry on.

[drrd]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

i clicked on this thread... can i get 2 minutes of my life back?

There should be a sticky disclaimer for Rolex General Discussion making it explicit that you will not get any of the time you waste back.

[TTalk]

There's only a limited number of snobs currently available to point these things out.

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by jb335

Just a random and trivial observation on my part...

Sorry that my thread was not good enough for many people. I guess I am also trying to take my mind off that subject we can't bring up that is all over the news today....carry on.

No worries. We're on a watch forum talking about trival observations all the time

[Oxfordian]

Originally Posted by jb335

Why do we have such a vocal group of people so quick to point out the there is no 'Submariner No Date' model name, only 'Submariner' and a 'Submariner Date' models, yet I never hear anyone correct people and say the Daytona is actually named the 'Cosmograph Daytona.'

I have seen the "there is no Sub ND" written hundreds of times, but never a "it's called a Cosmograph Daytona!" comment. Not once. I wonder why we have the selective nit pickiness...

Rolex splits the Submariner range into two watches, the original Submariner and the Submariner Date which has the addition of the date complication, this is shown on the Rolex website.

There is not a watch called the Submariner No Date or ND for short, the connotation Submariner ND is misused by some when trying to explain the difference between the watches. I remember getting picked up on it not long after becoming a TRF member, when I researched it I then understood why I had been picked up.

The Daytona is officially called the Cosmograph Daytona by Rolex on its website but as there is only one standard movement (no date or any other complication) I guess that the Cosmo part gets dropped.

I don't think that it is pickiness it just a way of educating people of the correct terminology for the Submariner group of watches.

[jb335]

I think from here on out, I am always going to write Cosmograph Daytona when I need to mention the model so I will forever be linked to this deep philosophical question I introduced to TRF.

[DonRickles]

Originally Posted by Smart Water

So many dumb threads lately...

Hey pipe down, you talk too much!




I have both...!

[JoseR]

Originally Posted by jb335

I think from here on out, I am always going to write Cosmograph Daytona when I need to mention the model so I will forever be linked to this deep philosophical question I introduced to TRF.

You can write it or say it anyway you want. That's your opinion, it's called Freedom of Speech.

[sgwatchguy]

Originally Posted by Oxfordian

Rolex splits the Submariner range into two watches, the original Submariner and the Submariner Date which has the addition of the date complication, this is shown on the Rolex website.

There is not a watch called the Submariner No Date or ND for short, the connotation Submariner ND is misused by some when trying to explain the difference between the watches...

The Daytona is officially called the Cosmograph Daytona by Rolex on its website but as there is only one standard movement (no date or any other complication) I guess that the Cosmo part gets dropped.

I don't think that it is pickiness it just a way of educating people of the correct terminology for the Submariner group of watches.

Best said

[drrd]

Originally Posted by Oxfordian

Rolex splits the Submariner range into two watches, the original Submariner and the Submariner Date which has the addition of the date complication, this is shown on the Rolex website.

There is not a watch called the Submariner No Date or ND for short, the connotation Submariner ND is misused by some when trying to explain the difference between the watches. I remember getting picked up on it not long after becoming a TRF member, when I researched it I then understood why I had been picked up.

The Daytona is officially called the Cosmograph Daytona by Rolex on its website but as there is only one standard movement (no date or any other complication) I guess that the Cosmo part gets dropped.

I don't think that it is pickiness it just a way of educating people of the correct terminology for the Submariner group of watches.

The OP's post assumes the reader knows that there is no such thing as a Sub ND so no further explanation is required.

The Cosmo part gets dropped because of laziness or ignorance that the watch is properly called a 'Cosmograph Daytona' and not 'Daytona', not because there are multiple versions called 'Cosmo' or 'non-Cosmo'.

The OP is asking why people point out that a Sub ND is just a Sub but they don't point out that a Daytona is a Cosmograph Daytona.

And the answer is pedantry and ignorance.

[nosignalbmwdriver]

why are so many people replying to this... lol

[Old Expat Beast]

If we're being really picky, they are both just Submariners. One is an Oyster Perpetual and one is an Oyster Perpetual Date. It says so on the dial.

[Rado63]

All Daytonas are chronographs. Not all Rolex chronographs were called cosmographs. Not all Rolex cosmographs were called Daytonas. Today all Rolex Cosmographs are Daytonas. Hence Cosmograph Daytona is just referred to as "Daytona" because their is only one model available. I know that there is a Submariner and a submariner date, but, for clarity I always say date sub or no date sub, and that's fine with me and sorry it bothers some purist.

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by Rado63

I know that there is a Submariner and a submariner date, but, for clarity I always say date sub or no date sub, and that's fine with me and sorry it bothers some purist.

Same here.

[Tools]

Originally Posted by FTX I

There's no Daytona with date so no reason to do that Larry.

Then perhaps it should be an Explorer II and an Explorer no-II.


What many seem to overlook is that the Sub Date is the model name.

Getting back to the original question, a Daytona is called Daytona because that is the model name on the dial.

The Submariner only has Submariner on the dial as a model name. The other one says Submariner Date, just like the Day Date - it is the proper name of that model watch. Why call it a model that it is not, just because we are too lazy to utter another word

We don't call the Air-King an Air-King no Date, but we do call the Air-King Date by it's proper name.

If they were called by their proper names, there would never be any confusion.