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perpetualman88 · 5 February 2014, 12:07 PM

Mr Ben Clymer keeps the subject matter very interesting with this video.
Perpetual Calendar arguably Pateks most iconic references.

Id love to sit down with Michael from Madison Time and pick his brain about all that is Patek someday

http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/referen...r-chronographs

FremStar · 5 February 2014, 12:40 PM

Pure Greatness! No other words!

FeelingTheBlues · 5 February 2014, 12:51 PM

Saw that video earlier today, as a big fan of the 1518 and the 2499 I am very glad that Hodinkee decided to do this video! Thank you for sharing David my friend.

tom2517 · 5 February 2014, 01:03 PM

Something about those vintage 1518s and 2499s (maybe the worn patina look and the oversized crown) that just makes them look better than the modern Pateks.

Need to save up more money.....

subtona · 5 February 2014, 01:03 PM

Hodinkee keeps crashing my ipad.

perpetualman88 · 5 February 2014, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by FremStar

Pure Greatness! No other words!

agreed my friend

I am hoping for a PP dual register chrono history next :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by FeelingTheBlues

Saw that video earlier today, as a big fan of the 1518 and the 2499 I am very glad that Hodinkee decided to do this video! Thank you for sharing David my friend.

Yes me too Carl. I am happy to share it I am more grateful to Hodinkee for making such a great short video.

Oryx · 5 February 2014, 02:33 PM

The write up is excellent as is the video. I really enjoyed both.

conkers · 5 February 2014, 02:41 PM

Great article!

HL65 · 5 February 2014, 08:28 PM

GedgeDS · 5 February 2014, 08:52 PM

Excellent work here! What I love most is that the dials vary to such a degree that the 'series' determines the basic format but in reality there are so many variations within these series that each watch is likely to have a unique dial of sorts.

Example being 3rd series can be found with or without the '30' of which it can either be touching the 15 of the date wheel and be either centred with the '0' of 30 or be off centre or be centred to the 16 marker/dot (or same as the above but not touching the date numbers).

Alternatively, the 6 o'clock marker either lined up with the '1' of the number 15 of the date wheel or lined up with the 16 marker/dot of the date wheel or not lined up with either and be positioned between the 2.

Early series 3 have no markers at 3 and 9 O'clock while later series 3 have the same gold 'dot' markers at 3 and 9 O'clock as at 5 and 8 o'clock markers.

And I can't understand how the 'hands' work - online sources say which series have which hands but continuously see these in auction as a complete set with the 'wrong' hands.

Sorry for the rant, just a really interesting subject!

travisb · 5 February 2014, 09:07 PM

Incredible!

Toony · 5 February 2014, 09:33 PM

Fantastic seeing all of those watches next to each other. Wow!!

Hamish · 5 February 2014, 10:21 PM

Great
Thanks for sharing

PatekCollector · 5 February 2014, 10:35 PM

Fantastic. I've enjoyed it a lot.

Thanks for sharing us.

cozy2009 · 5 February 2014, 10:39 PM

Awesome!

SearChart · 5 February 2014, 11:07 PM

Thanks for sharing!

vc_watches · 6 February 2014, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by perpetualman88

Mr Ben Clymer keeps the subject matter very interesting with this video.
Perpetual Calendar arguably Pateks most iconic references.

Id love to sit down with Michael from Madison Time and pick his brain about all that is Patek someday

http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/referen...r-chronographs

Saw this last night. Awesomeness.

Bulliondesk · 6 February 2014, 02:33 AM

Doesn't get any better than this!

Oryx · 6 February 2014, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by perpetualman88

Id love to sit down with Michael from Madison Time and pick his brain about all that is Patek someday

You should make and appointment and go visit him - his store is like a treasure trove the dial and metal variations he has for most of the iconic Patek references is off the chart.

He obviously makes a slight sales pitch but nothing too imposing - its actually very hard to leave the store without picking something up.

Ask to see some of the real special pieces - you will be blown away.

benlee · 6 February 2014, 09:30 AM

Very interesting article and video. I love it.

conkers · 6 February 2014, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oryx

You should make and appointment and go visit him - his store is like a treasure trove the dial and metal variations he has for most of the iconic Patek references is off the chart.

He obviously makes a slight sales pitch but nothing too imposing - its actually very hard to leave the store without picking something up.

Ask to see some of the real special pieces - you will be blown away.

How is the pricing? Fair?

rahible · 6 February 2014, 02:24 PM

As everyone else has mentioned. Thanks for sharing!!

subtona · 6 February 2014, 02:31 PM

Brilliant!

perpetualman88 · 6 February 2014, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oryx

You should make and appointment and go visit him - his store is like a treasure trove the dial and metal variations he has for most of the iconic Patek references is off the chart.

He obviously makes a slight sales pitch but nothing too imposing - its actually very hard to leave the store without picking something up.

Ask to see some of the real special pieces - you will be blown away.

Next time I am in NYC and if I have the cash I might make an appointment. I would not want to waste his time. I have been lusting for a 3970 :)

RussW · 6 February 2014, 06:33 PM

A fascinating article. Two quotes in particular caught my attention:

"Consider the fact that not a single other manufacture even attempted a perpetual calendar chronograph for another half a century after the 1518's introduction."

I hadn't realised Patek had been so far ahead of the game.

"But, what the 1518 does have that no other Patek perpetual chronograph has to this day is a few examples in what many believe to be the ultimate metal for a Patek Philippe, and that's stainless steel."

SS is the ultimate metal for a Patek? Why?

shnxx · 6 February 2014, 07:15 PM

Wow

tom2517 · 6 February 2014, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RussW

A fascinating article. Two quotes in particular caught my attention:

"Consider the fact that not a single other manufacture even attempted a perpetual calendar chronograph for another half a century after the 1518's introduction."

I hadn't realised Patek had been so far ahead of the game.

"But, what the 1518 does have that no other Patek perpetual chronograph has to this day is a few examples in what many believe to be the ultimate metal for a Patek Philippe, and that's stainless steel."

SS is the ultimate metal for a Patek? Why?

Well, I don't know it is because Patek was far ahead or because there wasn't a big market for other manufacturers to bother making them. Personally I believe it's the latter, as Patek wasn't exactly selling lots of perpetual chronograph themselves either. Stern in an interview by Watchtime or some other media had said they make few perpetual calendar chronos back then because there wasn't a big demand.

SS grand complications is the ultimate because Patek makes so few of them, and rarity is the biggest driver for auction prices.

5 February 2014, 12:07 PM	#1
perpetualman88 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: David Farkas Location: Los Angeles Watch: 116610, 5712/1A Posts: 8,011	Great Hodinkee breakdown of Patek Perpetual Calendar Chrono's Mr Ben Clymer keeps the subject matter very interesting with this video. Perpetual Calendar arguably Pateks most iconic references. Id love to sit down with Michael from Madison Time and pick his brain about all that is Patek someday http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/referen...r-chronographs

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5 February 2014, 12:51 PM	#3
FeelingTheBlues "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Carl Location: Always moving Watch: If you wish... Posts: 22,039	Saw that video earlier today, as a big fan of the 1518 and the 2499 I am very glad that Hodinkee decided to do this video! Thank you for sharing David my friend. __________________ Mon corps c'est un pays en guerre sur l'point d'finir, Le général de l'armée de terre s'attend au pire, J'ai faim, j'ai frette, je suis trop faible pour me lever debout, On va hisser le drapeau blanc un point c'est tout. - André Fortin

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5 February 2014, 01:03 PM	#4
tom2517 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Asia & US Posts: 1,550	Something about those vintage 1518s and 2499s (maybe the worn patina look and the oversized crown) that just makes them look better than the modern Pateks. Need to save up more money.....

5 February 2014, 01:03 PM	#5
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 25,995	Hodinkee keeps crashing my ipad.

5 February 2014, 02:33 PM	#7
Oryx "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: London Posts: 1,876	The write up is excellent as is the video. I really enjoyed both.

5 February 2014, 02:41 PM	#8
conkers "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Roger Location: Hong Kong Watch: Too many! Posts: 5,994	Great article!

5 February 2014, 08:52 PM	#10
GedgeDS Banned Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 50	Excellent work here! What I love most is that the dials vary to such a degree that the 'series' determines the basic format but in reality there are so many variations within these series that each watch is likely to have a unique dial of sorts. Example being 3rd series can be found with or without the '30' of which it can either be touching the 15 of the date wheel and be either centred with the '0' of 30 or be off centre or be centred to the 16 marker/dot (or same as the above but not touching the date numbers). Alternatively, the 6 o'clock marker either lined up with the '1' of the number 15 of the date wheel or lined up with the 16 marker/dot of the date wheel or not lined up with either and be positioned between the 2. Early series 3 have no markers at 3 and 9 O'clock while later series 3 have the same gold 'dot' markers at 3 and 9 O'clock as at 5 and 8 o'clock markers. And I can't understand how the 'hands' work - online sources say which series have which hands but continuously see these in auction as a complete set with the 'wrong' hands. Sorry for the rant, just a really interesting subject!

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travisb 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Travis Location: FL / NYC Watch: Yes.. Posts: 32,211	Incredible!

5 February 2014, 09:33 PM	#12
Toony "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Real Name: Tony Location: Gatchaman Posts: 1,873	Fantastic seeing all of those watches next to each other. Wow!!

5 February 2014, 10:21 PM	#13
Hamish "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Earth Watch: 5575 Posts: 1,674	Great Thanks for sharing

5 February 2014, 10:39 PM	#15
cozy2009 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NYC Watch: 5070 Posts: 154	Awesome!

6 February 2014, 02:33 AM	#18
Bulliondesk Banned Join Date: May 2011 Location: Howard100/101 Posts: 656	Doesn't get any better than this!

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benlee "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Ben Location: SIN & JKT Watch: Rolex, AP, PP Posts: 9,873	Very interesting article and video. I love it.

6 February 2014, 02:24 PM	#22
rahible "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Real Name: Aaron Location: St. Louis, MO Watch: Ref. 214270 Posts: 325	As everyone else has mentioned. Thanks for sharing!!

6 February 2014, 02:31 PM	#23
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 25,995	Brilliant!

6 February 2014, 06:33 PM	#25
RussW "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: England Watch: 5990 Posts: 3,339	A fascinating article. Two quotes in particular caught my attention: "Consider the fact that not a single other manufacture even attempted a perpetual calendar chronograph for another half a century after the 1518's introduction." I hadn't realised Patek had been so far ahead of the game. "But, what the 1518 does have that no other Patek perpetual chronograph has to this day is a few examples in what many believe to be the ultimate metal for a Patek Philippe, and that's stainless steel." SS is the ultimate metal for a Patek? Why?

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shnxx "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,120	Wow __________________ newb watch collector

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