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18 January 2023, 10:38 AM | #2791 | |
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18 January 2023, 11:22 AM | #2792 | |
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I think most of us are pretty rational. Yes there are some that preach 20% discounts in the future but there are just as many (probably more) that predict prices will level at +/- MSRP--that's pretty rational to me. These absurd prices were largely the result of grey market manipulation and were never "real" prices. Even FHB said that the goal is for someone to buy an AP and not lose half its value the second they walked out the store. They want the watch to retain value not necessarily be multiple times the retail price. |
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18 January 2023, 11:36 AM | #2793 | |
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so now retail/below retail isn't good enough. remember when everyone was begging to be able to get msrp+tax from a grey? maybe you are reasonable but the amount of doom posts on here is becoming overwhelming. reminds me of when people started saying apple will go to $60 lol. i share your opinion of prices leveling at +/- MSRP for most watches but i think we are in the minority |
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18 January 2023, 11:43 AM | #2794 | |
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19 January 2023, 01:57 AM | #2795 | |
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While the Nautilus line seems to be holding in decently well, Royal Oaks are in absolute freefall. 5402ST under 50k with no buyers, and 15202ST complete and mint 50-55k and not getting any offers. I am tempted to jump in the pool here but it seems the 15202 will be a $40k watch soon, back to 2019 prices, and somewhat more reasonable. |
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19 January 2023, 02:01 AM | #2796 |
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Part of the problem right now is no one knows where a 15202 or a 5711 should trade. You can find one dealer asking 80k for an unworn 15202, another asking 88k for a worn example, and another asking $55k for a mint example. There are countless dealers still asking over $100k! The trouble here is that you know that whatever you pay, it's now worth <50k and you've lost 10k at least! No one is buying so until that happens I will wait.
What I do know is a 16202ST sold for under 80k on loupethis and there are 10y more supply of 15202 out there. |
19 January 2023, 02:16 AM | #2797 | |
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19 January 2023, 03:23 AM | #2798 | |
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19 January 2023, 04:21 AM | #2799 |
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Has anyone seen any recent sales or prices on a 39mm Explorer mk2 214270?
I'm hoping to find one basically new in the box but prices I can see are all over the place. Same question for a black dial Milgauss. Any showing on moda or similar? Thank you |
19 January 2023, 04:57 AM | #2800 | |
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What color are you going for? I think anything within 20% of MSRP is worth a serious look. Maybe shave off another 1.5k off asking... I see them being sticky around the MSRP level (unlike to ROO) and givrn they're discontinued and likely the last ones with the AP logo that might be a good level to jump in. Depending on dial you may be a little more aggressive for white and rhodium, I think black and of course blue will have less give |
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19 January 2023, 05:22 AM | #2801 | |
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The retail is 26.6k, and with tax in NYC it’s about 29k even. So that’s 20% above MSRP+tax. It’s really tempting… and though I’m in no rush they aren’t making these any more….
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19 January 2023, 07:26 AM | #2802 | |
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Given that you're only asking for a 5% discount from the current asking, given market conditions and white dial I think it's a fair deal! |
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19 January 2023, 08:01 AM | #2803 | |
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19 January 2023, 08:30 AM | #2804 | |
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Good luck man! Only a matter of time... I'd imagine in 4 weeks you may get lucky. Trying and sticking to the same with my ROO hunt. Keep me posted on what Moda does for these |
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19 January 2023, 08:36 AM | #2805 | |
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Fingers crossed, I think it’s quite clear how prices are trending at this point (reverting to their historical mean).
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19 January 2023, 09:05 AM | #2806 | |
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19 January 2023, 09:23 AM | #2807 | |
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Yes and thank you! Like the other poster said, my pain threshold is right around 20% above MSRP. For a now discontinued and mint model with stickers I think you have some thinking to do . Certainly trending your way from the 70s in Feb last year! |
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19 January 2023, 09:31 AM | #2808 | |
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19 January 2023, 11:37 AM | #2809 |
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116500 black, 2019, full set besides white tag, “slider” $23,850
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on the MK2 39mm Explorer, one of our trusted sellers has one available right now. It's in excellent condition so it isn't new or like new. It should get you an idea directionally of what they are going for. Good luck!
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20 January 2023, 12:29 AM | #2815 |
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Just saw a black dial 50th 26240st, BNIB - 56k. Someone offered 50k.
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I honestly think much lower than that, particularly given how much Chrono takes. I talked to one guy who had a watch at $43k listed and was willing to do ~35k
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20 January 2023, 03:05 AM | #2818 |
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The quality of MODA has severely degraded IMO in the last month or so...
Seems to be a LOT of stale or retail/over market prices listings lately. Makes browsing a lot less pleasurable than it used to be... Can't complain or comment at all on there you know he's a big baby and will just kick you if you make a comment and aren't paying him.
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20 January 2023, 03:06 AM | #2819 | |
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20 January 2023, 04:12 AM | #2820 | |
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I also remember one member here just went on and on about how his turquoise op41 was going to some ridiculous price and somehow $60k was still good value. For a turquoise OP41!! |
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