FAKE: FS: Rolex Submariner Date 116610 Ceramic Bezel Worn 10 Times Box Tag Spare Link

[sachal007]

This guy is selling a fake watch in the classifieds.

Please be careful
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=484886

[77T]

How did you come to such a conclusion?
The watch I see in that listing appears genuine...

[karanrolex1984]

So disappointed - I'm a genuine seller and this guy reports my watch as fake ?

This is not a good experience first up..

@ Thanks Paul.

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by sachal007

This guy is selling a fake watch in the classifieds.

Please be careful
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=484886

You probably should get back on here and explain...

[sachal007]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

You probably should get back on here and explain...

Just because you have higher post count doesnt mean you know the watches more than I do.

See my list below

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by sachal007

Just because you have higher post count doesnt mean you know the watches more than I do.

See my list below

Yea, but my dad can beat up your dad.. NANNY NANNY BOO BOO. Relax Sach, people just wanted you to come back and make your facts known. So far I'm not convinced of anything you are saying.

[sachal007]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

Yea, but my dad can beat up your dad.. NANNY NANNY BOO BOO. Relax Sach, people just wanted you to come back and make your facts known. So far I'm not convinced of anything you are saying.

Lol fair enough. Like I said if the seller can post some straight shot of the watch, if I am wrong I will admit it.

I would request that the seller tags these new pics

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[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by sachal007

Lol fair enough. Like I said if the seller can post some straight shot of the watch, if I am wrong I will admit it.

I would request that the seller tags these new pics

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Fair enough, I agree...
I've been wrong before (many many times, per my wife :). However if it is someone on here, I would out of courtesy PM them privately before flaming publicly.

[Lol-x]

Originally Posted by sachal007

Lol fair enough. Like I said if the seller can post some straight shot of the watch, if I am wrong I will admit it.

I would request that the seller tags these new pics

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Making an allegation against another member that they are selling a fake is an allegation that is taken very seriously.

It is not up to a seller to prove to you anything.
You prove it is a fake as you say.
You have 24 hours.

Time is running for you

[karanrolex1984]

I don't know why he would say I am selling a fake? Just because I don't have the paper work makes my watch fake ?

I have listed the watch on ebay also - karankumar1984.. You can see my feedback.

@Thanks Jason

[offrdmania]

The OP is currently online. Waiting...

[Knappo 1307]

I just sent a PM to the OP, for facts. We'll see if he returns...

[77T]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

I just sent a PM to the OP, for facts. We'll see if he returns...

Good idea. Maybe a Mod can check-in since it seems like an unsubstantiated accusation.




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[artschool]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

I just sent a PM to the OP, for facts. We'll see if he returns...

http://www.rolexforums.com/showpost....20&postcount=4

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

I just sent a PM to the OP, for facts. We'll see if he returns...

I sent him a PM to come back and explain, too.

[77T]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

I sent him a PM to come back and explain, too.

Adam thanks for that...
For clarity, would it be good to pull post 4 from the thread artschool provided into this thread?

http://www.rolexforums.com/showpost....20&postcount=4


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[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by 77T

Adam thanks for that...
For clarity, would it be good to pull post 4 from the thread artschool provided into this thread?

http://www.rolexforums.com/showpost....20&postcount=4


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Agreed, I've pulled that post as it doesn't belong there. OP has also left a visitor message on the Seller's profile page.

[offrdmania]

How can he tell anything on the insert when there is a plastic cover over it obscuring its true color?

[sachal007]

Hi guys, let me explain all the things that are wrong with the watch. Either the seller was scammed or he is being naive.

First of: The date font is wrong

Second: The DW is left justified. I have never seen a Rolex with this issue but I have seen fakes with this exact issue.

Third, though the insert is covered, the silver platinum filling is too dark. Genuine platinum is lighter in color than this rep and I have seen this rep insert.

Then, we got the crystal. It is previous obvious that the crystal is missing the "black hole" effect caused by the AR coating on the cyclops.

Then lets talk about the dial. The biggest tell about the dial being fake is the 6 and 9 marker. These markers are wider on a rep dial than the genuine. Rolex genuine markers have round edges and not 90 degree

Lastly, look at the clasp, esp the part the flips over to the clasp. Do you see how the arms are not straight and bent. This is one of the most common issue found in reps due to their poor quality control.

[sachal007]

That is how the gen platinum color looks it's more creamy


This is how the sellers insert color looks. Darker




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[sachal007]

Rep marker on the left - wider
Gen marker on the right


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[sachal007]

I challenge the seller to post some straight shot of the watch and please make sure to remove the plastic cover from the insert when you take these pics.

[Andad]

The pix that I have seen of the watch for sale are not good enough for me to agree or disagree.

Is there an umpire available?

[freefly]

That watch looks like a possible/probable fake from here as well. There are several issues apparent, including some that the OP hasn't mentioned.

However, just to give the seller the benefit of the doubt, I think it would be a reasonable request to see some hi-res, in-focus close-ups of the following before dropping the hammer:

* Dial, without the bezel protector, with the hands set as to not obscure any dial print, and with the date-window centered.
* Rehaut engraving.
* Inner clasp (specifically the "Steelinox" and "Rolex S.A." engraving).


I would also be curious to hear the explanation given as to why a watch so new is missing the warranty card, yet still has the box, hang tag, and bezel protector.
I know the legitimate reasons for it being omitted in some cases, but I'd rather hear his explanation before ideas are potentially put in his head. Just my $0.02

[dera]

I tend to agree with the OP as well. Either there is a massive coincidence with pic quality making a few aspects of the watch look like classic rep watches, or it is indeed fake.

[VIG]

Can the seller open up the case back?

If not how about a dead on face shot of the watch?

[sachal007]

Lastly there is a chance that the seller bought the watch thinking it's a gen but was actually sold a fake.

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[txaggie]

Looks suspicious to me. Thanks for the heads up sachal007.

[Lol-x]

What troubles me is the inside of the clasp is sandblasted, but the hang tag is green. I thought the sandblasting changed some time ago well before green hangtags came into effect.

I'm surprised there is no warranty card?

The green hang tag indicates this watch would have been manufactured recently.

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

What troubles me is the inside of the clasp is sandblasted, but the hang tag is green. I thought the sandblasting changed some time ago well before green hangtags came into effect.

I'm surprised there is no warranty card?

The green hang tag indicates this watch would have been manufactured recently.

Not sure about that Steve. I believe they swapped hang tags on watches in stock on a particular date. If the watch was in the case, it would have got the new tag.

There is a thread somewhere with the procedure, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: Refer to Adam's post (#3) in this thread http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...green+hang+tag