Is the build quality of grand seiko greater than rolex?

[esm]

Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

Well especially when facts are wrong as BP FF came first!

IMO - every Rolex Sub owners must know this fact!

[Wacker23]

Thanks for the lesson, didnt know that. but i was just using bp as an example.

[Wacker23]

Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

Only problem is the BP FF was made 6 months to a year before the Sub. So.....

Please dont go banning me for that i like it here..

[HL65]

Originally Posted by Wacker23

Please dont go banning me for that i like it here..

You are forgiven!!

[MrLee]

Originally Posted by Wacker23

Thanks for the lesson, didnt know that. but i was just using bp as an example.

Bad example on a number of levels because I never mentioned anything about the GS being a 'cheap watch'

My point had always been that the aesthetics are either bad or copied

The bottom line is as has been said here even by GS fans that Rolexes have 'that something' about them that no GS does. Be it looks, heritage whatever, they just have an x-factor, for me the GS range lacks any soul.

Also all these seiko fanboys round here need to remember it was this bloody company that nearly ruined the Swiss watch industry back in the day. If it wasn't for sheer determination most of these fantastic Swiss watch houses would have been gone forever thanks to cheap Japanese quartz watches, so to me they should stick with doing that, but that's just me probably.

[J. Alan]

Originally Posted by MrLee

No J. Alan we don't all live in Canada my friend I was actually in bed asleep, have answered your question above, any others you have I will be happy the answer just remember the time difference and give me a chance to answer

Actually quite funny the post before yours was my answer!!! Lol

As far as I can see you do not identify your country of origin and I was not sure if you were across the pond or in London, Ontario, Canada. I will now consider the time difference for the delay in your comments.

After reading your posts concerning your dissatisfied GS purchase, would you consider listing it on on the TRF For Sale section so we Seiko lovers can have an opportunity to give it a happy home??

J. Alan

[bosjohn]

[QUOTE=MrLee;3974809]Bad example on a number of levels because I never mentioned anything about the GS being a 'cheap watch'

My point had always been that the aesthetics are either bad or copied

The bottom line is as has been said here even by GS fans that Rolexes have 'that something' about them that no GS does. Be it looks, heritage whatever, they just have an x-factor, for me the GS range lacks any soul.

Also all these seiko fanboys round here need to remember it was this bloody company that nearly ruined the Swiss watch industry back in the day. If it wasn't for sheer determination most of these fantastic Swiss watch houses would have been gone forever thanks to cheap Japanese quartz watches, so to me they should stick with doing that, but that's just me probably.

Now now simmer down. Would you also vilify Henry Ford and Ford motor company for almost singlehandedly reducing the horse to pet status?
We have strayed from the original subject of this very very long thread. By en large it has been very enjoyable.

Esthetics are very difficult to debate and in the end we must recognize that its a matter of taste. you don't like the styling of GS and I think Rolex styling is very dated. In the end these are unassailable positions.
but as to the original question that is is the build quality of the GS greater than the Rolex. The consensus here at your Rolex forum seems to be yes it is.
but that is clearly not the only consideration for buying a watch. as you say your esthetic sensibilities are probably more important. Your perception if your favorite watchmakers history and pedigree and design will all dictate your choice. If you don't like the looks of the watch on your wrist it will hardly matter if its a tic better made.
BTW labeling posters as seiko or rolex fanboys does nothing more than show your frustration level that someone will disagree with you.
There are many watch lovers in the world and Rolex is doing just fine and making fine watches. Seiko is doing just fine and making fine watches. Its very unlikely anything we say or do here will change that. choice is what makes the world go round.
On a side note the watch I am wearing presently is a Girard Perregaux vintage of about 1968 or not a Seiko or Rolex.
John aka bosjohn

[bosjohn]

Originally Posted by MrLee

Right I've just come to the conclusion that my eyes work better than you lots

Seriously if you cannot see that the GS diver and the gmt pictured above are blatant copies of rolex models I give up

now you and I don't believe that for a nano second. You will give up when pigs fly hehehehhe.
John

[bosjohn]

Originally Posted by speedy321

I have a GS Hi Beat 36000, a new one with black sunburst dial. The quality and finish are immaculate. Personally I think the quality is very good and better than any Rolex. Don't get me wrong Rolex fans, I love Rolex, having 6265, 1675 gilt, 1601 DJ, a 1946 14k RG Bubbleback and an incoming 218206a. But the quality and finish of GS is just superb. GS watches are handmade and the production figure is aprox. 4000 a year. Rolex is an industry's marvel, cranking 1 million high quality watches a year. Fortunately I don't have to choose, I love them all!

Slight correction Grand Seiko is hand assembled polished adjusted and finished but not entirely hand made.
John aka bosjohn

[submariner66]

Originally Posted by bgbg13

The sub is a wonderful iconic watch that is well deserving of its place in history. And they did way better than a home run with it, that things well out of the park. If I was a collector I would definitely have one. But unfortunately my tastes exceed my income and I am proud to have my 1 nice watch. 16570 polar. But as you can see from other posts above the sub is not an original as you would like to believe, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Your post was about how you love your Rolex because of how "original" it was and everything else copied it therefore inferior in some way. So you either new this about the Fifty Fathoms and have been lying to yourself, or didn't know and are now backpedaling.
If you are in love with it that is all that matters, but no need to bash Grand Seiko saying it's a copy of your dads Rolex and therefore inferior, when it's no more of a copy than your Sub is of the Fifty Fathoms.
Previous post from Padi regarding this. I think that is all that needs to be said.
https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...0&postcount=28

No, I think you are oversimplifying my points and most certainly getting your threads crossed! Its not an either-or situation and please don't put words in my mouth. I don't think things are inferior because they are copies, sometimes they are even better. But it does change the way you think about it. Like I said usually designs, art, ideas in general lets say, do not come out of a vacuum there is a sort of community of ideas that it is born from, usually. Things contemporaneous with one another will often look alike. Its not like I am arguing against the GS or visa versa. My point is that the GS and Seiko in general borrows heavily from Rolex and Omega's of the 50s- the golden age of wrist watches. Just look at the bracelets. Not a bad place to borrow from though. That much I think we can assume.

I can't figure out why some people think because you respectfully disagree about such small details with someone else you are instantly "bashing" something. Hopefully were having a gentlemanly discussion? I just happen to have my own idea about it, as I am sure you do as well. And also happen to like the GS very, very much- don't worry dear defender of the GS! Maybe I would like to read a nice book on Seiko, Rolex and the Blancpain one day that is researched and all about the story of these watches. Sounds relaxing! But to sit here and argue back and forth about it is kind of pointless for me, sorry.

[MrLee]

Originally Posted by bosjohn

now you and I don't believe that for a nano second. You will give up when pigs fly hehehehhe.
John

Lol, very true John got me there

[MrLee]

Originally Posted by J. Alan

As far as I can see you do not identify your country of origin and I was not sure if you were across the pond or in London, Ontario, Canada. I will now consider the time difference for the delay in your comments.

After reading your posts concerning your dissatisfied GS purchase, would you consider listing it on on the TRF For Sale section so we Seiko lovers can have an opportunity to give it a happy home??

J. Alan

I didn't say I had purchased a GS I would never spend that amount of money on one of these watches, because as I have made very very clear I don't like the styling, or the brand as a prestige marque

However if I did have one you could have it at a good price

[handsfull]

Originally Posted by MrLee

...Finish wise it was good but I don't feel it came anywhere near the quality of my sub c,

Originally Posted by MrLee

Right I've just come to the conclusion that my eyes work better than you lots

If you think the finish on a Rolex beats a GS....you need to get into an eye doctor ASAP. x100

Originally Posted by MrLee

if you cannot see that the GS diver and the gmt pictured above are blatant copies of rolex models I give up

It may be time for you to give up. They are no more of a copy than a Sub to a FF.

Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

X3 on that for sure!!

x4.....

[MrLee]

Originally Posted by handsfull

If you think the finish on a Rolex beats a GS....you need to get into an eye doctor ASAP. x100



It may be time for you to give up. They are no more of a copy than a Sub to a FF.






x4.....

Really constructive detailed and informative, well done in adding ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to this debate. You are a fountain of wisdom x 3000

[RanHong]

Originally Posted by handsfull

If you think the finish on a Rolex beats a GS....you need to get into an eye doctor ASAP. x100



It may be time for you to give up. They are no more of a copy than a Sub to a FF.






x4.....

Truth.

[bgbg13]

Originally Posted by submariner66

to sit here and argue back and forth about it is kind of pointless for me, sorry.

Agreed

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by MrLee

Bad example on a number of levels because I never mentioned anything about the GS being a 'cheap watch'

My point had always been that the aesthetics are either bad or copied

The bottom line is as has been said here even by GS fans that Rolexes have 'that something' about them that no GS does. Be it looks, heritage whatever, they just have an x-factor, for me the GS range lacks any soul.

Also all these seiko fanboys round here need to remember it was this bloody company that nearly ruined the Swiss watch industry back in the day. If it wasn't for sheer determination most of these fantastic Swiss watch houses would have been gone forever thanks to cheap Japanese quartz watches, so to me they should stick with doing that, but that's just me probably.

So much wrong in this statement, maybe even a tad ignorant but to debate it would be useless.
I think you've made your point regarding your feelings on GS. It comes a time when a man just has to agree to disagree.

There are many threads here I feel are absurd, useless, repetitive and sometimes just silly, but hey, who am I to judge. I just take a peek and leave because in my eyes it's pointless to even comment particularly if this said thread has gained speed and attracted followers. I just giggle, mentally face palm myself and let them continue to enjoy their thread.
I think this is your thread...
Let it go..

[alanc]

This thread appears to have gone over to the dark side again.

[handsfull]

Originally Posted by MrLee

Really constructive detailed and informative, well done in adding ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to this debate. You are a fountain of wisdom x 3000

Exactly - I'm fighting fire with fire. Just like your responses have been....zero substance. Opinion's are great when you are backing them with something.....anything. You are providing your "feelings", but surely nothing informative. If your looking for Info, you can find plenty of it in the past 21 pages.

Anyone with a 10x loupe and 20/20 vision wouldn't dispute finish quality levels between a Rolex and a GS....there is no comparing. Period. No matter how many times you pick up the loupe and look at each piece, the results will be the same. Now, if you want to contest that....go ahead....but you WILL get the and all day long. Carry on.

[bosjohn]

Originally Posted by handsfull

Exactly - I'm fighting fire with fire. Just like your responses have been....zero substance. Opinion's are great when you are backing them with something.....anything. You are providing your "feelings", but surely nothing informative. If your looking for Info, you can find plenty of it in the past 21 pages.

Anyone with a 10x loupe and 20/20 vision wouldn't dispute finish quality levels between a Rolex and a GS....there is no comparing. Period. No matter how many times you pick up the loupe and look at each piece, the results will be the same. Now, if you want to contest that....go ahead....but you WILL get the and all day long. Carry on.

so I love to argue as much as the next guy but this thread has really run its course, Almost nothing new has been said for quite a while.
once again I want to thank you rolex guys your are for the most part terrific and your all welcome to come to scwf I hope our folk are as generous with you as you have been with us
you guys are just like us we all love watches, Fortunately there are more than enough great watches out there to keep us all busy for a very long time.
P.S. sorry I attached this to your post but I really didn't want to start another subthread.
Cheers to all
John aka bosjohn

[threemonkeys]

Originally Posted by MrLee

There is nothing 'ill-informed' about my post it's an opinion, or is everyone who disagrees with you 'ill-informed', sorry I forgot you were the holder of all correct knowledge

Rude response, big fella.

[Psmith]

OK, back to the eye candy. Apparently only 150 examples of this gorgeous SBGE021 (Limited Edition) were made. I am told that the green signifies good luck

[J. Alan]

Originally Posted by Israguard

Like many... I have been reading and enjoying everyones input. I initially thought that this was the same as comparing a Lexus to a Mercedes... I have seen in Bangkok (big dept store) a massive GS display and was amazed at the cost. I guess I too am a victim to Rolex marketing.

After looking at the above GMT watch... Im in love. I dont have the faintest clue where I can buy this in Montreal. I did check ebay & found it from Japan for $4200. Add to that the 15.5% sales tax when it gets here. Nonetheless.. a beauty.. I want one

Hi, Israguard:

Received your PM about my Vancouver visit to the Seiko GS AD, but you have not answered my return PM's requesting more info from you (model no., etc.)

Last chance to get ahold of me before I leave early Sunday.

J. Alan

[MrLee]

Originally Posted by bosjohn

so I love to argue as much as the next guy but this thread has really run its course, Almost nothing new has been said for quite a while.
once again I want to thank you rolex guys your are for the most part terrific and your all welcome to come to scwf I hope our folk are as generous with you as you have been with us
you guys are just like us we all love watches, Fortunately there are more than enough great watches out there to keep us all busy for a very long time.
P.S. sorry I attached this to your post but I really didn't want to start another subthread.
Cheers to all
John aka bosjohn

Couldn't agree more, I said my piece then left it, but so many people replied to my stuff I had to keep bloody answering them lol

Ok guys from me personally enough is enough but it's been fun

[herbie911]

A lot of people aspire to own a Rolex Sub but not many people out there will say my grail is a Grand Seiko no matter how good a Seiko, Breitling, IWC or Graham for that matter. Just look at the number of Rolex forum vs other brand! I got a Seiko and I love it to bits. However, I know which brand I wear when I go for business meetings and special night out with my other half!

A Lexus or Infinity is very reliable and is probably better built and more reliable than their German competitors but the majority will still aspire or buy a Beemer, Audi or Mercedes!

[DreambreaX]

Originally Posted by speedy321

i have a gs hi beat 36000, a new one with black sunburst dial. The quality and finish are immaculate. Personally i think the quality is very good and better than any rolex. Don't get me wrong rolex fans, i love rolex, having 6265, 1675 gilt, 1601 dj, a 1946 14k rg bubbleback and an incoming 218206a. But the quality and finish of gs is just superb. Gs watches are handmade and the production figure is aprox. 4000 a year. Rolex is an industry's marvel, cranking 1 million high quality watches a year. Fortunately i don't have to choose, i love them all!

+1

[esm]

Originally Posted by herbie911

A lot of people aspire to own a Rolex Sub but not many people out there will say my grail is a Grand Seiko no matter how good a Seiko, Breitling, IWC or Graham for that matter. Just look at the number of Rolex forum vs other brand! I got a Seiko and I love it to bits. However, I know which brand I wear when I go for business meetings and special night out with my other half!

Another perfect example of top notch marketing by Rolex.

I would def wear a GS if meeting up with fellow WIS mates and Rolex for everything else.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by esm

Another perfect example of top notch marketing by Rolex.

I would def wear a GS if meeting up with fellow WIS mates and Rolex for everything else.

Have to agree and here is one guy who has been looking for a Vintage SG for quite some time. Although a huge Rolex fan myself know quality when I see it no matter the name on the dial..

[speedy321]

Originally Posted by bosjohn

Slight correction Grand Seiko is hand assembled polished adjusted and finished but not entirely hand made.
John aka bosjohn

Fair enough. But I think GS is hand made in the same sense as Omega Central Tourbillon although not in the same sense as, say, George Daniels' hand made pocket watch.

[DJJon]

So I have a 16 month old Rolex Datejust that has to back to RSC for service, and a 40+ year old 36,000 bph Seiko that runs like a champ.

Does Rolex have to win this battle or can some of the GS-dumpers admit they are both great time peices in their own right.