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Old 9 July 2020, 07:36 PM   #1
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Manually wound chronograph: 5172 or 5170

Hi guys, I am considering to add another Patek in the future.

I tried on 5172 the other day, it wears ok, I like the stepped lugs, but not the fact it's a 41mm chrono. One thing I hate about those bigger cases is that I had a 37mm and 41mm (15400st) AP RO at one stage, same movement, and it just looked bad on on the bigger case. Never seen a 5170 in real life

Anyway I am not familiar with Caliber CH 29‑535 PS, but is it the same movement on 5370P? I have heard that watches under Grand Complication would receive better hand finishing? But if 5172/5170 share the same movement to 5170, are they equally well finished?

Lastly, is the price difference between 5172 (new) and 5170 (preowned) significant?
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Old 9 July 2020, 07:51 PM   #2
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I tried on 5172 the other day, it wears ok, I like the stepped lugs, but not the fact it's a 41mm chrono. One thing I hate about those bigger cases is that I had a 37mm and 41mm (15400st) AP RO at one stage, same movement, and it just looked bad on on the bigger case. Never seen a 5170 in real life
I just happened to have bought a 5172G and tested a 26331 APROC 41mm yesterday. The mm size classification is a joke and says nil about how a watch wears. The AP looks like a giant and in fact wears larger than my 44mm Rolex Deepsea. 5170 wears a tiny bit smaller than the 5172G but that's mostly due to a smaller dial Surface. The case itself is quite assertive with long Calatrava lugs and 21mm lug width (20mm on 5172G). See pics for comparisons between 41mm 5172G and 41mm AP on my 6,5’’ wrist.

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Anyway I am not familiar with Caliber CH 29‑535 PS, but is it the same movement on 5370P? I have heard that watches under Grand Complication would receive better hand finishing? But if 5172/5170 share the same movement to 5170, are they equally well finished?
Same base caliber 29-535 in all current manual chronographs yes. 5270 has a PC module and 5370 has a rattrappante module. Grand complications are likely better finished but I can't fault anything on my 5172G.


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Lastly, is the price difference between 5172 (new) and 5170 (preowned) significant?
I think the second hand value is roughly comparable between 5172G and 5170R +5170G second iteration. J and G with pulso dial are cheaper. Might be tricky getting a discount on 5172G right now though since supply isn’t high but the second hand value is soft so in time discounts are certain. For now the list price of 5172G is comparable to that of used 5170P.
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Old 10 July 2020, 06:50 AM   #3
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I just happened to have bought a 5172G and tested a 26331 APROC 41mm yesterday. The mm size classification is a joke and says nil about how a watch wears. The AP looks like a giant and in fact wears larger than my 44mm Rolex Deepsea. 5170 wears a tiny bit smaller than the 5172G but that's mostly due to a smaller dial Surface. The case itself is quite assertive with long Calatrava lugs and 21mm lug width (20mm on 5172G). See pics for comparisons between 41mm 5172G and 41mm AP on my 6,5íí wrist.



Same base caliber 29-535 in all current manual chronographs yes. 5270 has a PC module and 5370 has a rattrappante module. Grand complications are likely better finished but I can't fault anything on my 5172G.




I think the second hand value is roughly comparable between 5172G and 5170R +5170G second iteration. J and G with pulso dial are cheaper. Might be tricky getting a discount on 5172G right now though since supply isnít high but the second hand value is soft so in time discounts are certain. For now the list price of 5172G is comparable to that of used 5170P.
PP looks great on you, congrats
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Old 10 July 2020, 11:27 AM   #4
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Thanks! yah my wrist is about 6.5 inch too.

Congrats on your pick up!
yah, kinda wondering since 5370P and 5172G share the same Ch29, but the level of finishing is marginal or significant?

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I just happened to have bought a 5172G and tested a 26331 APROC 41mm yesterday. The mm size classification is a joke and says nil about how a watch wears. The AP looks like a giant and in fact wears larger than my 44mm Rolex Deepsea. 5170 wears a tiny bit smaller than the 5172G but that's mostly due to a smaller dial Surface. The case itself is quite assertive with long Calatrava lugs and 21mm lug width (20mm on 5172G). See pics for comparisons between 41mm 5172G and 41mm AP on my 6,5íí wrist.



Same base caliber 29-535 in all current manual chronographs yes. 5270 has a PC module and 5370 has a rattrappante module. Grand complications are likely better finished but I can't fault anything on my 5172G.




I think the second hand value is roughly comparable between 5172G and 5170R +5170G second iteration. J and G with pulso dial are cheaper. Might be tricky getting a discount on 5172G right now though since supply isnít high but the second hand value is soft so in time discounts are certain. For now the list price of 5172G is comparable to that of used 5170P.
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Old 10 July 2020, 04:51 PM   #5
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Thanks! yah my wrist is about 6.5 inch too.

Congrats on your pick up!
yah, kinda wondering since 5370P and 5172G share the same Ch29, but the level of finishing is marginal or significant?
Never examined a 5370P backside in detail but Iím assuming the difference would probably only be noticeable when comparing side by side.
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Old 10 July 2020, 06:28 PM   #6
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Thanks! yah my wrist is about 6.5 inch too.

Congrats on your pick up!
yah, kinda wondering since 5370P and 5172G share the same Ch29, but the level of finishing is marginal or significant?
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Never examined a 5370P backside in detail but Iím assuming the difference would probably only be noticeable when comparing side by side.
The difference is significant, the 5370 is produced in the high grand complications department by Pateks best watch makers, it is double assembled (5170, 5172, 5270 are single assembled) and the final assembly takes 3 months - the finishing is sublime.
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The difference is significant, the 5370 is produced in the high grand complications department by Pateks best watch makers, it is double assembled (5170, 5172, 5270 are single assembled) and the final assembly takes 3 months - the finishing is sublime.
Fair enough, as I said I wouldnít know.
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Old 12 July 2020, 03:55 AM   #8
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Hi guys, I am considering to add another Patek in the future.

I tried on 5172 the other day, it wears ok, I like the stepped lugs, but not the fact it's a 41mm chrono. One thing I hate about those bigger cases is that I had a 37mm and 41mm (15400st) AP RO at one stage, same movement, and it just looked bad on on the bigger case. Never seen a 5170 in real life

Anyway I am not familiar with Caliber CH 29‑535 PS, but is it the same movement on 5370P? I have heard that watches under Grand Complication would receive better hand finishing? But if 5172/5170 share the same movement to 5170, are they equally well finished?

Lastly, is the price difference between 5172 (new) and 5170 (preowned) significant?

Go for the 5170p. The size is a fantastic combination of classic and modern. And given the thickness and size, it wears elegantly and sporty. The watch is superb.

And the movement fits perfectly in the case.

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Go for the 5170p. The size is a fantastic combination of classic and modern. And given the thickness and size, it wears elegantly and sporty. The watch is superb.

And the movement fits perfectly in the case.

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Go for the 5170p. The size is a fantastic combination of classic and modern. And given the thickness and size, it wears elegantly and sporty. The watch is superb.

And the movement fits perfectly in the case.

Saving up for this one now

Found one for $78k but not quite there on the savings front yet....
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Interesting, didn't realize the 5270 and 5370 use modules.
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