Genuine Jubilee??

[ScottyV]

Hello Fellow Members,

The bracelet in the following photos came on a 16233 I purchased in 2001. RSC said "It is not manufactured by Rolex" and they want $4,100 for a new one, or they would not service the watch. Needless to say I declined the service.

Can someone tell me what would make RSC make this decision, as they offer no explanation. Sorry but the bracelet is very dirty as it was a daily driver.

Your input is greatly appreciated. Additional photos are available if needed.

[Lunaen]

I can’t offer input on the bracelet but you could just send the watch head in without the bracelet to the RSC and they should service it no problem.


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[jatco]

Just doing a quick search, the endlinks seem proper as does the bracelet so I don't know why that RSC has an issue...especially since they don't say why... Besides, you only want the watch to be serviced not the bracelet.. They're being difficult imo...!
I'd go somewhere else...
Maybe someone else on here can shed more info...

[TimeToGo]

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I wonder if part of the bracelet is not authentic (a blade?).
A 62523H.18 is a legit bracelet. Can't make out the clasp code.

Can you post close up pictures of the watch, blades?

[oysterfisher]

Bracelet looks totally legit.
V3 clasp Code - 1996

Could you verify, it has never been repinned?

[TimeLord2]

As the center section with links are what usually become stretched out, it could be they were replaced at some point with aftermarket link sections. The brushing does look quite coarse. That said, are there supposed to be cutouts on the end links? Doesn't this watch have lug holes which would mean no cutout on the end link? They too may be aftermarket unless there is a transitional model with no lug holes but with same reference number? Better pics of the clasp would help hopefully someone else can provide an answer.

[CTech]

This looks like one of the very good replica bracelets that are difficult to tell apart from genuine ones.

There are some detail differences between the two that can be seen with careful examination, such as the font of the stampings, the shape of certain letters and the method of construction.

This one has all the correct markings but the font of the 455B on the end pieces looks wrong to me.

The way the end piece has been stamped is also incorrect and I think you will probably find some discrepancies in the shape of certain letters on the clasp.

This recent thread also refers to a suspect 62523H bracelet which is possibly aftermarket:

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=888490

You should be able to find genuine 62523H bracelets with 455B end pieces on the Internet for comparison and you'll see a lot of subtle differences in surface finish, cleanness of the stamped edges, etc. as well as the more obvious font and letter shape differences.

This one is genuine, I think:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/255678517134

[jatco]

Originally Posted by CTech

This looks like one of the very good replica bracelets that are difficult to tell apart from genuine ones.

There are some detail differences between the two that can be seen with careful examination, such as the font of the stampings, the shape of certain letters and the method of construction.

This one has all the correct markings but the font of the 455B on the end pieces looks wrong to me.

The way the end piece has been stamped is also incorrect and I think you will probably find some discrepancies in the shape of certain letters on the clasp.

This recent thread also refers to a suspect 62523H bracelet which is possibly aftermarket:

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=888490

You should be able to find genuine 62523H bracelets with 455B end pieces on the Internet for comparison and you'll see a lot of subtle differences in surface finish, cleanness of the stamped edges, etc. as well as the more obvious font and letter shape differences.

This one is genuine, I think:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/255678517134

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Does a PJ11 or L5 make a difference, in your link pics.. ? and one has T1 when another doesn't..?? Hard to tell...

[CTech]

You are right, it is extremely difficult to tell the difference between genuine 62523H bracelets and these aftermarket ones from photographs alone, but it gets a bit easier if you have the two side by side.

The PJ11, L5 and V3 codes are date stamps and show when the clasp was made or, in the case of aftermarket items, claimed to have been made. The T1 code on the clasp of the previous thread has not been explained and was one of the reasons why this bracelet was thought to be possibly aftermarket.

L5 is May 1987, V3 is March 1996 and PJ11 is November 2008, so it's clear this type of bracelet was made over a long time period, and it's to be expected that there would be some changes in manufacturing procedures during that period.

However, looking at some details shows that certain fonts were never used by Rolex throughout that period, they never sold bracelets with rough stamped edges, wrong size pins, wrong shape cutouts, different design screws, peculiar shaped Rolex crowns, etc.

[jatco]

Originally Posted by CTech

You are right, it is extremely difficult to tell the difference between genuine 62523H bracelets and these aftermarket ones from photographs alone, but it gets a bit easier if you have the two side by side.

The PJ11, L5 and V3 codes are date stamps and show when the clasp was made or, in the case of aftermarket items, claimed to have been made. The T1 code on the clasp of the previous thread has not been explained and was one of the reasons why this bracelet was thought to be possibly aftermarket.

L5 is May 1987, V3 is March 1996 and PJ11 is November 2008, so it's clear this type of bracelet was made over a long time period, and it's to be expected that there would be some changes in manufacturing procedures during that period.

However, looking at some details shows that certain fonts were never used by Rolex throughout that period, they never sold bracelets with rough stamped edges, wrong size pins, wrong shape cutouts, different design screws, peculiar shaped Rolex crowns, etc.

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[fsprow]

Assuming you like the bracelet and want RSC to service the watch, just remove the bracelet and then they should service the body.

[dannyp]

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

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I wonder if part of the bracelet is not authentic (a blade?).
A 62523H.18 is a legit bracelet. Can't make out the clasp code.

Can you post close up pictures of the watch, blades?

That was my guess, though I would guess all clasp components are genuine and it's something else, like some links. Notice there's no reference to "counterfeit" (which I presume there would be if any components bearing a logo/trademark were not original).