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And if you’ve been reading the thread, I stopped drinking September 1st. Since then, I’ve had three occasions where I’ve had drinks. Not sure 3 occasions in 5 months can be classified as an alcohol fueled malaise. I’ll leave it here simply because I realize the type of person I’m speaking with already. And I realize an actual discussion is not realistic based on your responses. See that…I can be judgmental too.
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You are obviously a banned member from the past. And clearly you have experience on the topic and are simply jaded because you lost your battle and couldn’t handle yourself. It’s okay dude. Not everyone has your problems. And I don’t need luck. But I do appreciate the sentiment. Even though I realize it’s empty as people such as yourself enjoy watching others fail.
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Definitely one of those people who had to replace their dependence. It's tough somedays. Noradrenaline/betadrenaline are far better highs than anything you can buy. Still costs me ~$40/ride in electrolytes, amino acids and food though. Not including equipment costs and gas to the trailhead. Minimum 3 times a week. 85% of people relapse within their first year of treatment. Took me half dozen tries, 2 rehab visits, & 6 months in a sober living home before I managed to get my first year. If it were fun, or easy, more people would do it. I applaud anyone who tries. Some days are extremely boring in my opinion. But a boring day sober is still better than my best day was in Rehab lol The sad reality is, my sobriety cost more than a Platona, and the wait list was just as long. Most don't have the time or funds/insurance to get there. |
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Think about your responses. You claim to be a positive influence, yet on this topic you are insecure, intransigent, and out to destroy anyone who would question you. You can’t beat the demon until you recognize you have a problem. All the best. |
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Not defensive at all. And I have not lied one time. Here’s proof: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=883883 And I have openly stated any time I have had a drink, which was literally 3 times since September 1st. Attacks? Yeah, I’ll respond appropriately to someone projecting their own weaknesses. I have every right to defend myself. I said “incorrect” to your post. I didn’t say more because I knew where it would go. But you went there anyway. You could have started a discussion. Maybe asked me why I thought your presumptuous statement was incorrect. Instead, you attacked me and projected your own problems and experience in your response. Go back, look at what transpired with an open mind. I responded to your vitriol. It’s that simple. So again, who is attacking and manipulating? You sir. I think that’s clear. And no bitterness in any of my responses. Annoyance, yes. Bitterness, no. Just calling you out for what you clearly are. Which sadly you project on others.
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I hear ya. For me it was flying airplanes. It took a couple years to not feel drawn back into it. Stick with it. It’s the best gift you’ e ever given yourself.
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As I posted earlier, I didn't take the no reefer pledge, but honestly, once I was sober and enjoyed that, all desire for weed, etc was just gone. I see you did drink a few times and I suppose that's part of learning to stay dry, but you're closer than you think to being completely sober as you realize and see that you can do what most others cannot. That is remain sober. It is a great feeling. I quit cold turkey September 17th, 2016. No regrets, for sure. You'll see soon enough. Every day is awesome and a new adventure. Remember: Never Question The Decision. Keep it up!
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Thank you Paul, I wish I were like you and never touched the crap in the first place. That level of insight is brilliant in my opinion. 150s sounds extremely healthy to me. That is what most health and fitness coaches are going to have you target during training. If you want to bump it up a bit, push yourself to your max running pace until you're out of breath, then keep going until you're about to trip. Then dial it down to your walking pace, allow HR to recover, then repeat. I basically do that on my bike, and my heart rate kind of hops between 160-200 and stays in between that range There's a bit of preparation to get there. Beyond eating a bunch of carbs, I usually down a liter of ph water, a nuun hydration tablet, and blue powerade before eating. Then drink a monster and 1425-2850MG of Amino acids in my car before pulling my bike off the roof. It's all about the training and partially due to age as Star Ferry pointed out. Theoretically our Max HR is 220-age. Which when I analyze the data its saying 196-202 max for me over the last few training sessions. I've recorded as high as 227 in a crit race ÷/- whatever error % this garmin watch has. Almost all my training is zone 4/5 though which is probably not recommended. I just like the feel good endorphins, and it is fun seeing what the human body is capable of. I did take a few months off as I hate the cold, and I had half a dozen crashes last season that really messed up my hips, some muscles in my thigh and my right knee. My resting heart rate is 47-50 at the moment. After I got the flu around new years, it never quite came back down again. I have some work to do. I'm feeling good and strong though already. Didn't think it would come back this quick. I would totally recommend Roctane Amino Acids before any workout though. Helps so much with muscle fatigue |
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Appreciate the comments guys. Thank you, and agree. But thanks for the encouragement. It is great appreciated. I do feel compelled to explain a little bit further about the "bored" comment. And I really don't want to start the back and forth again, so I am going to be as sensitive to others as possible. When I was a kid I saw Silverado. Still one of my favorite movies. Not sure why, but one line in the movie really stuck out with me. Kevin Kline looked at a Saloon and stated "my favorite place on earth is a Saloon". I can relate to that. For years my fun place was sitting at a bar. Not drinking heavily per say, but hanging out at the bar having dinner and drinks. But I would sit there for hours meeting people. I did this while single, I would go with friends or a girl. Or I would go alone and meet girls or whatever. Then I did it with my wife. Then I did it single again. And to be clear, I stopped drinking because of health reasons. My pancreas does not work very well. I have to take enzymes before every meal because my body does not digest fat very well. I am on a low fat diet as a result. I also have gout. Drinking exacerbates gout. But my diet is further limited due to the gout in general. So when I say I am bored, it is because life as I knew it changed. My fun and happy place is no longer. My enjoying a big meal or a big steak is no longer. My enjoying a glass of wine and having a chat is no longer. I don't sit down to big meals. I don't enjoy conversations or meeting new people over drinks. Reading a book with a glass of wine is no longer. Snowy nights with a little bit of whisky is no longer. Quitting booze was harder due to the change of my lifestyle than it was for actually quitting booze. I enjoyed all those actives above. And yeah my new lifestyle gets boring. I hang out at home much more and I focus on fitness that much more. I enjoy both. Fitness was always a hobby. But life is different and far more boring. I actually had my body composition done yesterday. In the last 5 months, I have lost 2.5% body fat and put on 4lbs of muscle. I love fitness and I am seeing gains like I never have before. I am loving it. But going to sleep at 9:30 and being at the gym by 5:30 is boring. So when someone says, without knowledge of anyone else's life, that they need to get a new hobby, I think that is incorrect. I like my hobby's very much. But my life is most certainly boring in comparison to what it was. Fact is, my life changed for the better. I am very happy. But without question, it is boring in comparison. Everyone is different. And some folks need the program, which I respect. It is a great program. I have many friends that are living great lives because of AA. I am having lunch with a couple that met in AA this very Saturday. I did not go to any meetings. I do not believe I had a problem. I do not have a desire to drink. I have a desire to be in the "scene". I simply liked it. I enjoyed the lifestyle very much. I am very happy now too. I adapt pretty easily to most things. And I love focusing on fitness and on myself. But for certain, my life is far more boring than it was. Which, in the grand scheme of things, is a good thing. I hope that makes more sense and does not trigger anyone. My goal was not to upset anyone. My goal was simply to add color to the original boring comment I made, and maybe even help some others understand different perspectives.
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Interesting thread. I’ve been thinking about stopping alcohol for good recently, motivated by its overall negative health effects. It’s a significant carcinogen, for one. Reading through has nudged me along to a decision. I particularly like the phrase referred to by Langnam: Never Question the Decision.
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I think you kind of nailed why drinking is so difficult for most people to stop. Because it's so tied into culture and socializing. I worked in a Cheers type bar for 4 years and it's still probably the most fun I ever had with my clothes on.
My wife stopped drinking fairly recently, and I never drank a lot, but our favorite places on vacation were sitting at bars having dinner instead of at tables, because we got to meet and converse with a lot of people. Often we will still sit there and she has says she doesn't have a problem with it, but for some it can be impossible to sit there nursing a soda water and have it the same social get together. Rearranging ones social life can be difficult and perhaps far less fun, but when alcohol is a "problem", we just have to do it. Good for you Seth and others, and I hope the substitutions you make can return the same social interaction and fun.
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I think a nice thing about Dry January or any hiatus, is it can “reset” the relationship with alcohol. For example, somebody in a rut of drinking 3 or 4 nights a week, every week, can interrupt that habit. Even if they do start drinking again, it might become once or twice a week or even less going forward.
In reality, there are people doing dry January who should probably never drink again. For example, those who’ve been fired from jobs for drinking, or have suffered criminal or acute medical consequences from drinking. But it can also just be a break and a reset |
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A coworker quit in dry January a few years ago. She realized she was planning her business travel around hotels and restaurants with bars. She would stay many miles away from a client to be nearer to the watering hole. I don’t know if she would have realized the connection had she not taken a month off as part of a group observing dry January. |
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I can’t take credit for “Never Question The Decision.” Once I quit drinking, I was scanning websites and found one called Hip Sobriety. The founder tattooed the initials NQTD on her knuckles as a reminder. She wrote quite elegantly about the phrase, and as you can tell, it really stuck with me. Really helped me through the early months. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Little late to this party but I started my “dry month” this past Sunday. Went to a local all-you-care-to-drink beer festival with my wife and friends on Saturday the 28th. As anticipated we all drank way too much, but where my wife and friends got sick and had two day long hangovers, I drank just as much, didn’t get sick and went to work the next day like nothing happened. That next day I was a little boastful as they were all “down for the count” but then I realized it’s not a good thing I drink regularly enough to not be violently hung over after a night like that. When my wife said she wanted to take a break for February I couldn’t jump on the wagon fast enough. Tough part is my birthday is this month, but I think I can still enjoy it without the booze.
Going to Punta Cana in mid march so might have some beers on the beach while I’m there, or maybe by then I won’t care to. Time will tell. P.S. glad to be on the wagon with Seth and my other friends here! |
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We also enjoy sitting at the bar sometimes instead of at the table.
Dry January (into a damp February ) has been nice but it's definitely not something that will turn into stone cold sober for me. Generally speaking, the wife and I would have a drink or two each weekend, as well as on vacation - and we enjoy it. Lighter drinking for us - even lighter than before? Sure. Total stoppage? Nah. |
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Even now I’m rarely at a table. Still prefer the bar.
I enjoy the social spect of it. I just go out a lot less. And drink water instead.
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I can relate….my social life, as with most folks, most of the time involved alcohol before I quit. I shut it down for awhile after I quit because I was not “confident” enough to go back to the same social situations without alcohol involvement, as I’m naturally a shy person, and alcohol gave me the “non-shy” factor to be social in any situation. What happened naturally over time was….I became WAY more confident as a person because I was proud of who I was, what I have done, and I’ll handle any social situation now… eagerly! As I said before, my fitness level improved, even though I was doing triathlons before quitting, my body is in better shape visually and internally at 54, vs when I was playing baseball in college. My hobbies are still the same now, but I’m without a doubt a better, more confident person after becoming sober, and I actually have a favorite part from an Eminem song (I’m not afraid) that I relate to very well. Hopefully you’ll relate to it as well. ….. No more drama from now on, I promise to focus solely on handlin my responsibilities as a father So I solemnly swear to always treat this roof, like my daughters and raise it, you couldn't lift a single shingle on it! Cause the way I feel, I'm strong enough to go to the club or the corner pub, and lift the whole liquor counter up Cause I'm raising the bar I'd shoot for the moon but I'm too busy gazin at stars I feel amazing and I'm I'm not afraid (I'm not afraid) To take a stand (to take a stand) Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro |
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I woke up and had a bit of a chuckle this am, thinking of this thread.
I went across the street last night to my favorite restaurant. I sat at the bar, as always. I ran into an old friend and we caught up for a few minutes. She was meeting up with three other friends. They ended up sitting next to me. My friend who was next to me moved closer and says, “oh my god, I’m switching seats with my girlfriend, she thinks you are so hot”. I was close to finishing up. I chatted with her friend as I finished my decaf coffee, without desert, I’ll add, as I’m avoiding all unnecessary sugar to avoid in inflammation. Anyway, I go home instead of hanging out as I just wasn’t feeling it. I did two loads of laundry and was thrilled I got that much done. Then I read a book. I almost never take melatonin, but I figured it was Friday night. And I wasn’t very tired. I timed the melatonin perfectly. I read in bed until I fell asleep with the book on my chest. I woke up an hour later to pee and turn my light off. I was thrilled to sleep through the night. I woke up with my dog snuggling me as it’s coooolllldddd out. My digestive system rewarded me for good food choices. I was again thrilled and at that point thinking of this thread. Yeah. My life is boring. I’m not saying I don’t like it. Please don’t read into that. I’m genuinely super pleased right now. Drinking ginger tea and waiting until the gym opens at 7:00. But yeah, that was my Friday night, and I would not choose another way to spend it. But yeah, boring. And I swear on my dog eyes, that was my exact night last night.
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