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5 January 2021, 04:19 PM | #1 |
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Scammed, and probably not alone...
Tried to buy this Hulk: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=782677
I believe he was leading multiple buyers on on this one and managed to get money from me via PayPal. I used PP Goods and Services and my AMEX, so I'll be whole (aside from my time) but anyone else thinking they bought this watch is likely in the same boat. Whoops. Definitely let my guard down and took the risk because of PP, but should not have. Careful out there! (Yes, I've now flagged the post.)
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5 January 2021, 04:21 PM | #2 |
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Dayyum. So what happened? Never delivered?
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5 January 2021, 04:28 PM | #3 | |
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I don't know enough about PayPal's inner workings to know how they recoup if he has already moved the money, but am confident in my recourse. Still sucks, though. I really do believe that he was working multiple TRFers simultaneously all weekend.
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5 January 2021, 05:15 PM | #4 |
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Watch posting still up and says “sold”
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6 January 2021, 12:08 AM | #5 |
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Banned now and listing gone.
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6 January 2021, 01:38 AM | #6 |
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If its good and services then you have recourse with Paypal.
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6 January 2021, 02:05 AM | #7 |
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It was indeed PayPal Goods And Services. I'm highly confident that I will be whole after this but it still was lame to have to give it the extra time.
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6 January 2021, 02:11 AM | #8 |
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yep never bank transfer!
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6 January 2021, 02:13 AM | #9 |
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AMEX was a perfect choice to be covered.
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6 January 2021, 02:53 AM | #10 |
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I'd be hard pressed to find a cc company that wouldn't have your back in the case of fraud or failure of delivery.
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6 January 2021, 03:21 AM | #11 |
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6 January 2021, 03:49 AM | #12 |
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That's something I don't understand...that banned members can login. He's listed as banned but had indeed signed in at 9:10 AM.
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6 January 2021, 04:22 AM | #13 | |
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It looks like banned or suspended members can login and read but not post or PM. At least now you know he is avoiding you and is able to communicate if he wanted to. |
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6 January 2021, 11:47 AM | #14 |
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Op so very happy for your wisdom - Double protection AMX & PP ! Good for you - just think if you had used a wire the story would be much different- congratulations & thanks for sharing that others might learn as buyers. James in San Antonio Tx
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6 January 2021, 02:32 PM | #15 |
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What made you think that this seller was trustworthy?
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6 January 2021, 02:53 PM | #16 |
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Sucks. He was fairly new, the PP thing throws me off too ... wouldn't a scammer ask for F&F or wire? Interesting how people are saying using a credit card gives you double protection, is this only for Amex or would pretty much any cover you in case PP failed? Let us know how long it takes to get your money back from PP.
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6 January 2021, 02:55 PM | #17 |
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Beyond a fair question, to which I somewhat reluctantly admit that I took a rather significant flyer on it only because PayPal was his preferred payment (as listed in his TRF sale post). PayPal + AMEX felt like a pretty low-risk flyer. I wire on watch deals fairly regularly but never would have wired under these circumstances with this "seller."
I had basically convinced myself that since the seller takes the overwhelming majority of the risk in a PayPal transaction that the red flags weren't as worrisome. I let my guard down because of PayPal and, even though I am well-protected, it's lame. In other words, I would not do the same again, even with PayPal and AMEX. Apologies to you and the other moderators for your time on this; definitely won't happen again.
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6 January 2021, 03:05 PM | #19 |
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You got your money back already? That was fast! You call Amex or PP? This give me a bit more confidence buying here, even if I have to pay the extra 3% fee or whatever lol.
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6 January 2021, 03:17 PM | #20 | |
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But my takeaway is actually that I owe this great community more than taking calculated risks that could unintentionally attract more scammers. Even if I get my money back, that a-hole will be coming back here. That's my bad. Lesson definitely learned all the way around. Hindsight, 20/20, all that... Be careful out there!!
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7 January 2021, 07:17 PM | #21 |
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Wow interesting story, thanks for sharing!
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8 January 2021, 01:16 AM | #22 |
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AMEX has fully credited the amount as of this morning.. Thanks, AMEX!
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8 January 2021, 07:55 AM | #24 |
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Definitely removed the anxiety that remained!
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19 January 2021, 04:00 PM | #25 |
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wow, you got lucky brother.
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20 January 2021, 01:26 AM | #26 |
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Glad you got your money back.
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20 January 2021, 01:44 AM | #27 |
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Its so weird that the scammer would accept goods and services because you have to have a confirmed bank account for it and charges can be reversed whereas friends and family is just like a funds transfer with no recourse.
Im glad you got your money back OP but the scammer is an idiot and not a good one
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20 January 2021, 03:32 AM | #29 |
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Yes, this was the wisest way to cover your ass with the least amount of inconvenience if/after things went sideways.
What a douchebag. How do people think this is going to work for them...... |
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So did PayPal eat the loss?
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