16710 - Coke-Pepsi-Black

[nachopc]

Hello Guys,

Just bought an GMT II , question is... how can I know that the coke insert was coming originally with the watch as papers don’t say a thing....

Thanks


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[RXAPPP]

Should say on the papers after the model number

[mtgjr]

Originally Posted by nachopc

Hello Guys,

Just bought an GMT II , question is... how can I know that the coke insert was coming originally with the watch as papers don’t say a thing....

Thanks


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You can't.

[Watchzombie]

Originally Posted by nachopc

Hello Guys,

Just bought an GMT II , question is... how can I know that the coke insert was coming originally with the watch as papers don’t say a thing....

Thanks


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Don’t worry too much and enjoy your watch . The Bezel is interchangeable.

[Colin10101]

The papers should tell you. The letters that trail the model number will indicate which bezel insert was originally on the watch. Someone will have to chime in though, I don’t remember which letters mean what.

[aquatimerfla]

16710A - Coke Bezel (red/black)
16710B - Pepsi Bezel (red/blue)
16710N - All Black Bezel

[e dantes]

My understanding is the letter indicating the bezel insert color was only inNorth American or the US. Europe and other areas just list 16710.

[aquatimerfla]

Great reference article with all one needs to know about the 16710 courtesy of BOBS watches.


https://www.bobswatches.com/gmt-mast...-16710-history

[Devildog]

Originally Posted by aquatimerfla

Great reference article with all one needs to know about the 16710 sold in the US courtesy of BOBS watches.

https://www.bobswatches.com/gmt-mast...-16710-history

Fixed it for you

This, of course will be of no use whatsoever to the OP who is from Spain

(Spain - a medium sized country in Europe (that big land mass across the Atlantic from you))

[Speed]

Originally Posted by e dantes

My understanding is the letter indicating the bezel insert color was only inNorth American or the US. Europe and other areas just list 16710.

I do believe it was only N. America.

[nachopc]

Originally Posted by e dantes

My understanding is the letter indicating the bezel insert color was only inNorth American or the US. Europe and other areas just list 16710.

That’s correct, my papers says 16710 only....


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[nachopc]

Thank you guys!


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[exador]

I own a 16710N that was originally sold in Australia.

[Tools]

Originally Posted by nachopc

That’s correct, my papers says 16710 only....

The inserts are completely interchangeable and there is no difference between the watch in any way. Not sure why the USA market seems to want to catalog every day of their watch existence, but the build-code on the papers are uniquely Rolex-USA.

Keep in mind that the GMT II was "born" with a red/black insert and the original GMT Master was born with the red/blue insert and never came with red/black. Now days, of course, you can enjoy any insert of your choice.

[mtgjr]

Originally Posted by Tools

The inserts are completely interchangeable and there is no difference between the watch in any way. Not sure why the USA market seems to want to catalog every day of their watch existence, but the build-code on the papers are uniquely Rolex-USA.



Keep in mind that the GMT II was "born" with a red/black insert and the original GMT Master was born with the red/blue insert and never came with red/black. Now days, of course, you can enjoy any insert of your choice.

My D serial was originally sold in Portugal, and was clearly marked as a Pepsi. This is the white sleeve that the outer Rolex box slides into. No marking on the warranty paper, though.




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[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by Speed

I do believe it was only N. America.

This is my understanding too. My 16710 does indicate it originally came as a Pepsi.

[CRM114]

Originally Posted by nachopc

Hello Guys,

Just bought an GMT II , question is... how can I know that the coke insert was coming originally with the watch as papers don’t say a thing....

Thanks

For watches both with no papers indicating A/B/N and watches that do, the reality of counterfeit paperwork/boxes existing out there makes the Rolex database the ONLY real way know (and the rapid, rising prices of SS BLROs will only increase the production of fake papers). An AD doesn't have access to this database so won't be able to tell you, but if you have the watch serviced at a Rolex Service Center they can and will and advise how it originally came out of the factory.

Since the RSC is in the business of restoring a watch to it's original condition, If your watch has an insert that isn't the original color(s), they will want to install one that is.

[DoctorA]

Originally Posted by aquatimerfla

Great reference article with all one needs to know about the 16710 courtesy of BOBS watches.


https://www.bobswatches.com/gmt-mast...-16710-history

Great! Thanks for sharing
I am in the market for a Pepsi but will buy any 16710 and add a Pepsi insert to it

[nachopc]

Information !


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[nachopc]

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[nachopc]

Originally Posted by nachopc

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Mine come LN....


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[mtgjr]

Originally Posted by nachopc

Mine come LN....


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I thought you said it was a Coke.

[nachopc]

Originally Posted by mtgjr

I thought you said it was a Coke.

Sorry, No. I have both but the LN I got it yesterday


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[GMT Aviator]

Originally Posted by CRM114

For watches both with no papers indicating A/B/N and watches that do, the reality of counterfeit paperwork/boxes existing out there makes the Rolex database the ONLY real way know (and the rapid, rising prices of SS BLROs will only increase the production of fake papers). An AD doesn't have access to this database so won't be able to tell you, but if you have the watch serviced at a Rolex Service Center they can and will and advise how it originally came out of the factory.

Since the RSC is in the business of restoring a watch to it's original condition, If your watch has an insert that isn't the original color(s), they will want to install one that is.

I’m glad you’ve bought up this counterfeit papers problem, because it’s more rife than I think people believe. They’re easily obtained and indistinguishable from the original papers, often stamped with AD’s or dealers that have long gone out of business so there is no way to check unless you have an original bill of sale as well to a one owner watch, and even then.....

Regards RSC being able to tell how it left the factory, I’ve put two 16710’s through Rolex service here in London, neither of which came with papers, and in both cases, RSC was unable to tell me which bezel insert had been fitted in the first place. Whether that was to do with the year of manufacture where they didn’t keep records, or because they were supplied to the European market, I couldn’t tell you.

[Onequik135i]

I just learned something new on the 16710 after reading this, I have a 2003K Pepsi in bound which was originally purchased from a Taiwan AD (complete box papers) & I was wondering the same thing, the 16710 I had just purchased does not have a letter designated next to the Ref# listed on the paperwork & was curious as to why but now I know.

[fskywalker]

Thanks for sharing


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[train-time]

I have owned many 16710's over the years. I have found that the ones with US papers usually indicate A, B, or N after the reference number but the ones from other parts of the World usually do not. I'm sure there are exceptions, but usually the ones that do not have the A, B, or N after the reference on the papers WILL have some indication on the green hang tag. I have seen A, B, or N and also BLRO on Pepsi tags without reference to the bezel color on the papers.

On a side note, I sent a 16710A through a local AD to RSC in Lititz, PA and requested full service and a bezel change to Pepsi. They did the full service but refused to change the bezel from Coke to Pepsi.

[Gtecko]

the green tag should show you BLRO if you do have a original Pepsi

BLRO - bleu rouge like Pepsi
LN - Lunette Noir - which is black bezel
Any other are then Coke bezel

[HERITAGE82]

Where is SRINGER when you need him. lol

[WJGESQ]

Originally Posted by aquatimerfla

Great reference article with all one needs to know about the 16710 courtesy of BOBS watches.


https://www.bobswatches.com/gmt-mast...-16710-history

What’s the deal with the huge spread on the buy/sell of Bobs Watches? They have a “sell” of 9k on a Hulk and a buy of 11.750k?


That seems like in hell of a spread?