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Fabrice M · 29 April 2018, 07:17 AM

I am wondering how long does it take for a watch to be considered "a vintage watch" for instance is a 16800 tritium considered vintage? How about 16800 "swiss" only...? Seems to me that an 18 years old + watch is a little more than "pre-own" but somehow it doesn't seem old enough to be vintage material...?

I would love to hear what people think.

Kingface66 · 29 April 2018, 08:13 AM

dysondiver · 29 April 2018, 08:15 AM

thats an old favourite question ,,,, not sure if its vintage favourite question , or just an old favourite question ,,,

harry in montreal · 29 April 2018, 11:41 PM

Plastic crystal for me.

VintageVagabound · 30 April 2018, 12:09 AM

20 years for me

brandrea · 30 April 2018, 12:15 AM

It’s a rhetorical question and the answer to your question will vary depending who you ask.

To me, vintage means 4 digit, plexi. To others it might be 20 years or what have you.

Richard Carver · 30 April 2018, 12:41 AM

The real question is collectibility. A 16520 is not vintage but it is very collectible. Just about any out of production tool Rolex is collectible regardless of age. A ladies cocktail watch festooned with diamonds may be vintage but it is not collectible. Ask the right questions. :)

rollyp · 30 April 2018, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Fabrice M

I am wondering how long does it take for a watch to be considered "a vintage watch"

When it looks like something that's not made anymore

Example:
1675 - for sure
16710 - not so much, even though it's a nearly 30 year old model

photoguy · 30 April 2018, 03:19 AM

Maybe it depends on whether you’re the buyer or the seller. ;)

springer · 30 April 2018, 05:41 AM

That is an age old question asked many times on the forum. Here is a thread I put together regarding "what is vintage."

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=551004

Personally, I break it down into vintage and classics - with the classics being some of the later discontinued models.

Opinions vary on what is vintage. As an example, while I definitely consider the GMT 16750 vintage, others may not. The same thing goes for the Submariner 16800 matte dials. Both are vintage to me even though the 16800 has a sapphire crystal.

The classics really do not have a clear definition, just like when trying to define vintage, but many of the discontinued models are classics for me - such as the Zenith Daytona 16520, the GMT 16700, GMT II 16760 and 16710, later Submariner 5513s and 16610s, Explorer and Explorer IIs, some of the Datejust models and probably a few more models.

strafer_kid · 30 April 2018, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by springer

That is an age old question asked many times on the forum. Here is a thread I put together regarding "what is vintage."

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=551004

Personally, I break it down into vintage and classics - with the classics being some of the later discontinued models.

While I definitely consider the GMT 16750 vintage, others may not. The same thing goes for the Submariner 16800 matte dials. Both are vintage to me even though the 16800 has a sapphire crystal.

The classics really do not have a clear definition, just like when trying to define vintage, but many of the discontinued models are classics for me - such as the Zenith Daytona 16520, the GMT 16700, GMT II 16760 and 16710, later Submariner 5513s and 16610s, Explorer and Explorer IIs, some of the Datejust models and probably a few more models.

Sums it up brilliantly!

harry in montreal · 30 April 2018, 08:56 AM

While we have this thread going, how do we distinguish between Rare, Scarce and Mint?

GeoGio Greece · 30 April 2018, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by springer

..... but many of the discontinued models are classics for me - such as the , the GMT 16700,
later Submariner 5513

Good ! I have both

R.O.L.E.X · 30 April 2018, 10:49 AM

50 years

Fabrice M · 30 April 2018, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Carver

The real question is collectibility. A 16520 is not vintage but it is very collectible. Just about any out of production tool Rolex is collectible regardless of age. A ladies cocktail watch festooned with diamonds may be vintage but it is not collectible. Ask the right questions. :)

I agree with you.

enginerd · 1 May 2018, 12:35 AM

10,000 days.

Father and Son · 3 May 2018, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by springer

That is an age old question asked many times on the forum. Here is a thread I put together regarding "what is vintage."

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=551004

Personally, I break it down into vintage and classics - with the classics being some of the later discontinued models.

Opinions vary on what is vintage. As an example, while I definitely consider the GMT 16750 vintage, others may not. The same thing goes for the Submariner 16800 matte dials. Both are vintage to me even though the 16800 has a sapphire crystal.

The classics really do not have a clear definition, just like when trying to define vintage, but many of the discontinued models are classics for me - such as the Zenith Daytona 16520, the GMT 16700, GMT II 16760 and 16710, later Submariner 5513s and 16610s, Explorer and Explorer IIs, some of the Datejust models and probably a few more models.

WOW! Lightbulb just went on!!!

Vintage vs. Classics
This is an absolutely perfect distinction!!!!

Fabrice M · 3 May 2018, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rookie Rolex

WOW! Lightbulb just went on!!!

Vintage vs. Classics
This is an absolutely perfect distinction!!!!

Makes sense. I usually refer to the ceramic Rolex as "modern" , although I am tempted lately to include any Luminova + as "modern as well" so classic for the in-between vintage and modern makes sense.

SAAS · 4 May 2018, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by harry in montreal

While we have this thread going, how do we distinguish between Rare, Scarce and Mint?

I remember when 16750s were “transitional” then they became ”rare” and the price doubled.

alwayshere · 7 May 2018, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SAAS

I remember when 16750s were “transitional” then they became ”rare” and the price doubled.

think this really only applied to the 16750 with matte dial. I think the gloss dial can still be had at a reasonable price whereas the 16750 is close to standard (non gilt, non chapter minute) 1675 prices now.

Widows Son · 7 May 2018, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harry in montreal

Plastic crystal for me.

This.

29 April 2018, 07:17 AM	#1
Fabrice M 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Denver Watch: This and that... Posts: 1,640	How long does it take for a watch to be considered vintage? I am wondering how long does it take for a watch to be considered "a vintage watch" for instance is a 16800 tritium considered vintage? How about 16800 "swiss" only...? Seems to me that an 18 years old + watch is a little more than "pre-own" but somehow it doesn't seem old enough to be vintage material...? I would love to hear what people think.

30 April 2018, 05:41 AM	#10
springer 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,197	That is an age old question asked many times on the forum. Here is a thread I put together regarding "what is vintage." https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=551004 Personally, I break it down into vintage and classics - with the classics being some of the later discontinued models. Opinions vary on what is vintage. As an example, while I definitely consider the GMT 16750 vintage, others may not. The same thing goes for the Submariner 16800 matte dials. Both are vintage to me even though the 16800 has a sapphire crystal. The classics really do not have a clear definition, just like when trying to define vintage, but many of the discontinued models are classics for me - such as the Zenith Daytona 16520, the GMT 16700, GMT II 16760 and 16710, later Submariner 5513s and 16610s, Explorer and Explorer IIs, some of the Datejust models and probably a few more models. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

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Kingface66 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: The Empire State Watch: 1966 Rolex 5513 Posts: 3,419	Oh, man, the topic is vast, and never ending, it seems.... https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=527572 https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=81694 http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?p=4226538 http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=94489 http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?p=3292746 http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=22706 http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?p=1477230 http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?p=3144255 http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?p=3511691 http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?p=3226311 http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?p=982827 http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?p=4325919 http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?p=4678105

29 April 2018, 08:15 AM	#3
dysondiver "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: tom Location: northern ireland Watch: my fins Posts: 10,063	thats an old favourite question ,,,, not sure if its vintage favourite question , or just an old favourite question ,,,

29 April 2018, 11:41 PM	#4
harry in montreal "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Watch: The Habs pick 1st! Posts: 3,589	Plastic crystal for me.

30 April 2018, 12:09 AM	#5
VintageVagabound "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 568	20 years for me

30 April 2018, 12:15 AM	#6
brandrea 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 73,704	It’s a rhetorical question and the answer to your question will vary depending who you ask. To me, vintage means 4 digit, plexi. To others it might be 20 years or what have you.

30 April 2018, 12:41 AM	#7
Richard Carver "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: US Posts: 2,237	The real question is collectibility. A 16520 is not vintage but it is very collectible. Just about any out of production tool Rolex is collectible regardless of age. A ladies cocktail watch festooned with diamonds may be vintage but it is not collectible. Ask the right questions. :)

30 April 2018, 03:19 AM	#9
photoguy "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: new england Posts: 71	Maybe it depends on whether you’re the buyer or the seller. ;)

30 April 2018, 08:56 AM	#12
harry in montreal "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Watch: The Habs pick 1st! Posts: 3,589	While we have this thread going, how do we distinguish between Rare, Scarce and Mint?

30 April 2018, 10:49 AM	#14
R.O.L.E.X "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: N/A Posts: 213	50 years

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enginerd "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: Nathan Location: Denver, CO Watch: Too many Posts: 1,008	10,000 days.

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