Pledge membership 2023

[joli160]

Unfortunately I had to terminate my PayPal account because their terms are not agreeable anymore for me.

Is there perhaps another way to pledge for 2023 ?

[HHIslander]

Originally Posted by joli160

Unfortunately I had to terminate my PayPal account because their terms are not agreeable anymore for me.

Is there perhaps another way to pledge for 2023 ?

You don’t need a PayPal account, just a credit card.

[Cru Jones]

Which PayPal terms pose an issue?

[mountainjogger]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

Which PayPal terms pose an issue?

I am curious also OP.

[joli160]

Cru and Mountainjogger;
They have become the thought police and want to impose fines of 2.5K as they seem fit.

HHislander;
For 2022 the only pledge option given by Steve was via PP, hence the question.

[HHIslander]

Originally Posted by joli160

Cru and Mountainjogger;
They have become the thought police and want to impose fines of 2.5K as they seem fit.

HHislander;
For 2022 the only pledge option given by Steve was via PP, hence the question.

I don’t have a PayPal account either anymore. PayPal will let you pay the pledge fees with a credit card without an account, you’re just using PayPal as the credit card processor.

https://www.paypal.com/donate/?cmd=_...=GW8HHE6TD4YJW

[mailman]

Originally Posted by joli160

Cru and Mountainjogger;
They have become the thought police and want to impose fines of 2.5K as they seem fit.

HHislander;
For 2022 the only pledge option given by Steve was via PP, hence the question.

Drop a PM to Lol-x and ask him. Another member can pledge on your behalf and you can reimburse them also.

[enjoythemusic]

Can we pay with Krispy Kreme donuts?

Asking for a friend.

[joli160]

Originally Posted by HHIslander

I don’t have a PayPal account either anymore. PayPal will let you pay the pledge fees with a credit card without an account, you’re just using PayPal as the credit card processor.

https://www.paypal.com/donate/?cmd=_...=GW8HHE6TD4YJW

Thank you, I did not know that

[Chewbacca]

You don’t need a pp account to send money if you use a cc . Just to receive.

Click the pp link on Steve post

Add cc number and forum name


Done.

[m j b]

Send me $75 and I'll do it for you.

I don't know what the 2023 cost will be, let's just assume that the difference will be my processing fee. A little extra something for my trouble.

[Mifune]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

Which PayPal terms pose an issue?

Originally Posted by mountainjogger

I am curious also OP.

Right here:

Acceptable Use Policy

You are independently responsible for complying with all applicable laws in all of your actions related to your use of PayPal's services, regardless of the purpose of the use. In addition, you must adhere to the terms of this Acceptable Use Policy. Violation of this Acceptable Use Policy constitutes a violation of the PayPal User Agreement and may subject you to damages, including liquidated damages of $2,500.00 U.S. dollars per violation, which may be debited directly from your PayPal account(s) as outlined in the User Agreement (see “Restricted Activities and Holds” section of the PayPal User Agreement).


AND


Pay Pal User Agreement/ Restrictive Activities

In connection with your use of our websites, your PayPal account, the PayPal services, or in the course of your interactions with PayPal, other PayPal customers, or third parties, you must not:

Breach this user agreement, the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy, the Commercial Entity Agreements (if they apply to you), the PayPal Balance Terms and Conditions (if it applies to you), or any other agreement between you and PayPal;

Etc Etc Etc

[GradyPhilpott]

I've looked into this and insofar as I only use PayPal to pay for stuff and I am never in a position to violate their terms of service, I don't have a problem.

I have read that most of the opposition to their ToS is that PayPal will be monitoring activities on websites other than their own and will hold people financially accountable for any expressed opinion with which PayPal disagrees.

This does not seem to be the case in my judgement.

My interpretation is that if you abuse the terms of service to the extent that it costs Paypal money, they will levy a fine up to $2500US.

I'm not advocating for PayPal. I just think that the reaction is overblown for the majority of people who use PayPal.

I welcome any criticism of my assessment.

[Mifune]

I am not interested in allowing a non-bank to arbitrarily forge a reason why I should pay a penalty when all they should do is process payments.

There are existing terms and consequences for illegal activities set forth by the justice dept, SEC and other federal oversight organizations...

Not only should Pay Pal NOT BE ABLE to penalize users, they should be made an example of by Federal regulatory entities overstepping financial boundaries.

[Cru Jones]

The $2,500 fine has been part of their T&Cs since 2013 and the very recent “misinformation” clause (which aimed at preventing the spreading fake news/misinformation via their platform) was rescinded by PayPal after backlash from some people.

So, it seems the “controversy” is over and all should be back to business as usual.