Patek Philippe or AP?

[wzj519]

Hi Folks here,
This is my first post here, but I learned some great knowledge from you guys through the past three years with non-registration on the forum.
The reason I am posting this thread is I am getting totally lost in picking my engagement gift.
I went to two local watch ADs and tried on several APs and PPs on my wrist, but I just can't make my mind.
The Main factors I am concerning on watches are:
1. design
2. movement
3. future value
and current I am looking at PP 5980 1AR 001 & 5711/1R 001 for PP.
For AP I am looking at 26331 1220OR.01 or 15400OR.
As this is my first watch above 40k, I just want you guys could give me some suggestions for the purchase.
Any input is welcome.
Thanks again guys.

[Hairdude1]

Go with your gut. I went AP then PP and love both.

[Peterandwatches]

Next to impossible question to answer, but unfortuantely, I've found that getting a PP when you love both, doesn't really scratch your itch for the AP, and vice versa. One potential compromise is maybe to just go with two steel ones.

[benlee]

Welcome to the forum.

Of the three criteria you listed in the price range, (1) and (2) are subjective while (3)...nobody can really foretell although selected models holds better value due to their popularity.

As you mentioned this is your first watch above 40K and since you are asking for advice, I presume should be quite a significant bit of money for you to spend, so go with what makes you happy the most. You can tell if the watch is really the one you want if the watch really sings to you, that is, you should have that strong "yearning" to get the watch and want to own it asap when you put it on. But if the feeling you got is only "hey, this is very nice" and that's all, then don't or you may have buyer's remorse later.

I lean towards AP but both brands have some excellent choices and some of them are already listed by you. I will add a AP 15202 Jumbo RG to the mix. Hope this helps.

[wzj519]

Originally Posted by benlee

Welcome to the forum.

Of the three criteria you listed in the price range, (1) and (2) are subjective while (3)...nobody can really foretell although selected models holds better value due to their popularity.

As you mentioned this is your first watch above 40K and since you are asking for advice, I presume should be quite a significant bit of money for you to spend, so go with what makes you happy the most. You can tell if the watch is really the one you want if the watch really sings to you, that is, you should have that strong "yearning" to get the watch and want to own it asap when you put it on. But if the feeling you got is only "hey, this is very nice" and that's all, then don't or you may have buyer's remorse later.

I lean towards AP but both brands have some excellent choices and some of them are already listed by you. I will add a AP 15202 Jumbo RG to the mix. Hope this helps.

Thanks for the input. I would definitely take a look at AP 15202 RG.
Thanks again.

[belligero]

Originally Posted by wzj519

Thanks for the input. I would definitely take a look at AP 15202 RG.
Thanks again.

I'd say that's by far the one to have. The proper 2121-movement Royal Oak is still the best-looking of the bunch, regardless of whether the metal is steel, gold or platinum. In my experience, there's no other bracelet watch that can match its refinement on the wrist; it simply exudes quality without being excessively showy about it.

The 5711 is fine too, but I believe Patek Philippe in particular is experiencing a bit of a bubble at the moment — more so than its peers, though most of the industry's pricing seems vulnerable to a correction — due to their significantly-increased production combined with significantly-decreased design skill, so I wouldn't guarantee that a modern Nautilus would hold its long-term value better. Fortunately, they haven't messed with the 5711 too much, but to me, the original ultra-thin version of the Royal Oak is the stronger design and will always be the more desirable watch.

Of course, that's just my opinion; I could be wrong. :)

[Marciano490]

Originally Posted by belligero

I'd say that's by far the one to have. The proper 2121-movement Royal Oak is still the best-looking of the bunch, regardless of whether the metal is steel, gold or platinum. In my experience, there's no other bracelet watch that can match its refinement on the wrist; it simply exudes quality without being excessively showy about it.

The 5711 is fine too, but I believe Patek Philippe in particular is experiencing a bit of a bubble at the moment — more so than its peers, though most of the industry's pricing seems vulnerable to a correction — due to their significantly-increased production combined with significantly-decreased design skill, so I wouldn't guarantee that a modern Nautilus would hold its long-term value better. Fortunately, they haven't messed with the 5711 too much, but to me, the original ultra-thin version of the Royal Oak is the stronger design and will always be the more desirable watch.

Of course, that's just my opinion; I could be wrong. :)

Patek cut production and its prices are just now starting to rise after coming down over the last 2-3 years. I'm not sure why your info is different but I don't believe it's correct.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Marciano490

Patek cut production and its prices are just now starting to rise after coming down over the last 2-3 years. I'm not sure why your info is different but I don't believe it's correct.

UK had a price rise last year and another is expected in Mar so for anyone who bought before then, like me, good times! Even the PMs are making money.

[wisguy]

Given the choice, PP.

[chickennho]

I would go with AP because of their history :P

[AK797]

Of those I went for the 5711/1R, beautiful, smooth and elegant. At this level you just have to go with your heart, absolutely no losers here... well maybe the PP TT.

[wzj519]

Originally Posted by AK797

Of those I went for the 5711/1R, beautiful, smooth and elegant. At this level you just have to go with your heart, absolutely no losers here... well maybe the PP TT.

yes, the problem for PP along has already made me headache. I love the 5711/1R's dress feeling, but the 5980 1AR obviously feels more sporty between the two.

[jschmidtdmd]

Both brands make great watches. I have owned both, but do not currently own an AP. Right now I am much more interested in Patek, as I have been somewhat discouraged by AP secondary values as well as what to me seem like the consistent re-issuing of pieces.

Again, this is all personal opinion and is certainly exasperated by my love of RM.

Either way, you can't go wrong and need to make your own choice!

[wzj519]

Originally Posted by jschmidtdmd

Both brands make great watches. I have owned both, but do not currently own an AP. Right now I am much more interested in Patek, as I have been somewhat discouraged by AP secondary values as well as what to me seem like the consistent re-issuing of pieces.

Again, this is all personal opinion and is certainly exasperated by my love of RM.

Either way, you can't go wrong and need to make your own choice!

If once take 5711 RG and 15400RG both into pre-owned market, will I see significant price difference between these two? The retail price of both are very similar though.

[Sam Philip]

Originally Posted by wzj519

If once take 5711 RG and 15400RG both into pre-owned market, will I see significant price difference between these two? The retail price of both are very similar though.

You will see a significant price difference between the two in the pre-owned market. The price of pre-owned 5711r is very close to MSRP or more than the MSRP and that is not the case for the 15400RG.

[wzj519]

Originally Posted by Sam Philip

You will see a significant price difference between the two in the pre-owned market. The price of pre-owned 5711r is very close to MSRP or more than the MSRP and that is not the case for the 15400RG.

Thanks for the input. I never thought PP watch could keep value so well.

[Jay (Eire)]

Originally Posted by wzj519

If once take 5711 RG and 15400RG both into pre-owned market, will I see significant price difference between these two? The retail price of both are very similar though.

I believe you will. Others can correct me but the PP, at least now, is the stronger.

This is something you should be able to get a clear indication of from your AD on the retail prices, I'm certain the discount on the AP will be materially higher than the PP (yes, neither of these need to be purchased at full retail).

In terms of the choice between the two only you can determine which feels better, which gives you most joy and which suits your lifestyle. They are very different watches on the wrist.

It's a great dilemma to have, these are super watches, good luck with the decision.

[wzj519]

Originally Posted by Jay (Eire)

I believe you will. Others can correct me but the PP, at least now, is the stronger.

This is something you should be able to get a clear indication of from your AD on the retail prices, I'm certain the discount on the AP will be materially higher than the PP (yes, neither of these need to be purchased at full retail).

In terms of the choice between the two only you can determine which feels better, which gives you most joy and which suits your lifestyle. They are very different watches on the wrist.

It's a great dilemma to have, these are super watches, good luck with the decision.

I went to two ADs, one carries AP, and the other has the PP. The one carries AP agreed on 20-22 percent discount of two watches I pick. Because I had tons of Rolex shopping history with them. However, I had never shopping with the PP dealer before, but my friend bought several non-pp watch from them. The store owner told us there is zero discount for any of two.

[goog53]

The AR has a beautiful dial but 2 tone traditionally doesn't sell so easy pass IMO. 5711R is a great watch. Personally I would get on a list for 5711 SS Blue Dial or AP 15202. Just my 2cents and congrats

[thomaspp]

The cross will take you to the light ..... lol

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[MILGAUSS88]

I will throw in another consideration for you. Cost of service. Chronographs are typically much more expensive to get serviced. My experience is 3x a service than for a time only watch. (i don't have a PP or AP chronograph, so not familiar with their pricing.) Perhaps someone else can give costs.
Other than that I would try both on and see which you like best.
Future value, honestly steel watches keep their value better than a gold or two tone watch. If you went that route you could by the AP and a PP as mentioned above.

[Le Chef]

I would add that Patek's servicing is painfully slow. My 5712G took 9 months. Personally I don't think that's acceptable when I can get a Lange serviced in less than a third of the time.

[wzj519]

Originally Posted by Le Chef

I would add that Patek's servicing is painfully slow. My 5712G took 9 months. Personally I don't think that's acceptable when I can get a Lange serviced in less than a third of the time.

How's AP service time then? I never owned both Brands. All my watches are SS Rolex except one Omega Speedy.
No knowledge of the two brands at all.

[willski]

Originally Posted by Le Chef

I would add that Patek's servicing is painfully slow. My 5712G took 9 months. Personally I don't think that's acceptable when I can get a Lange serviced in less than a third of the time.

What happened that it took 9 months?! I know 6 is common but 9 is really quite long...

[mickyd329]

I would start with an AP and then move on to a PP.

[regnant]

Welcome,
I think I would get Patek Philippe but if I buy something that may close to 6 digits that would be A Lange Sohne Double Split

[cruise_bone]

AP

I would go VC, then AP, then PP.

[AK797]

I would think the resale of 15202 and 5711 is more similar.

[Techno]

Seems like PP is the ultimate watch

[jonmears1]

Ap