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Old 29 February 2020, 04:59 PM   #511
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I’m based in Asia and the media here has been reporting since Chinese New Year about this as it’s a deadly virus and you can carry and spread it for 14 days without having any symptoms.

I work for a US based company and was surprised that my US based colleagues were quite uninformed about the situation and asked us to travel to places that we were told to avoid (Singapore, Korea, Hong Kong).

Only a month later after it started to affect ‘the West’ (Italy) and also Korea and Japan seemed to have a hard time controlling the situation, did your media pick up on it, because the stock markets started to be affected.

I don’t see how that gets people to think that ‘the media’ wants to crash the economy.

I think in the US, people’s minds are too clouded with politics to see things for the way they really are any more...


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We just got word from VMA (Veterinary Medical Association) that this is going on in China. Again, the VMA assures us not to be concerned about transmission from dogs or cats to humans. I, nor my staff and colleagues were never concerned about it, and the VMA has reinforced it.
Thank you again. Terribly sad what is happening right now.
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There are zero to be found. Unless you want to pay >$45 a piece for one.
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Yes, 3M N95 surgical masks. They are on allotment to us, but we have plenty (God willing).
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Yes, 3M N95 surgical masks. They are on allotment to us, but we have plenty (God willing).
I have 3m N95 masks for my employees, but they are the particulate masks for construction. I would assume they would be equally effective as the surgical masks?
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I have 3m N95 masks for my employees, but they are the particulate masks for construction. I would assume they would be equally effective as the surgical masks?


N95 is the same (functionally) no matter what it is used for.

The 'N95' designation means that when tested, the respirator blocks 95% of 0.3 micron test particles.

The part many don’t understand is they are single use for the purpose of contagion protection. In that context, the user will eventually have a mask that is carrying pathogens on its outer surface. One touch and you have contact transmission opportunity.

So a medical professional can go through them faster than a construction worker.


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Shifting gears to scumbags - (who can’t resist a good scumbag forum beat down?)

Here in NW ATL area, the increased surgical mask use by people has been leveraged by a bank robber...


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If he had tried this 2 months ago, he’d have stood out like a sore thumb.


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I’m based in Asia and the media here has been reporting since Chinese New Year about this as it’s a deadly virus and you can carry and spread it for 14 days without having any symptoms.

I work for a US based company and was surprised that my US based colleagues were quite uninformed about the situation and asked us to travel to places that we were told to avoid (Singapore, Korea, Hong Kong).

Only a month later after it started to affect ‘the West’ (Italy) and also Korea and Japan seemed to have a hard time controlling the situation, did your media pick up on it, because the stock markets started to be affected.

I don’t see how that gets people to think that ‘the media’ wants to crash the economy.

I think in the US, people’s minds are too clouded with politics to see things for the way they really are any more...


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Apparently you don’t understand the US media. Don’t feel bad about that, it seems most Americans don’t really understand the media. If you study them for a while like I have you’d absolutely 100% know what’s on their mind all the time and it’s not coronavirus. Coronavirus is nothing more than a tool for them to manipulate a desired outcome.

Anyway that’s not important. What’s important is what they’re doing is affecting the economy. I find it silly so many here are saying the media didn’t cause the stock market crash when I can literally link dozens of articles stating just that. People get their news from the media. It’s the media saying this is the end of the world. You obviously want to dump all your stocks when it’s the end of the world because of self-preservation. Certainly economical self-preservation takes precedence in these situations right? It’s the natural human order to think of oneself first. All I’m saying is there’s a proper time to react and this isn’t it. I’m not saying it won’t happen it looks like it just might. All I’m saying is that it’s too late now to avoid any economical consequences because the media has already committed itself to that. So if the coronavirus doesn’t hit the United States and kill thousands of people then one could say the millions of people that are going to lose their jobs over the course of the next six months have done so for nothing. Make no mistake when the stock market drops 10 to 15% like it has people are going to lose jobs. Livelihoods and families will be affected. I do understand with the supply chain interrupted from China that’s definitely going to affect some stocks and so even in the current situation without media influence we had to have some stock changes. Look at Apple. I saw an interview with their CEO Tim Cook and he doesn’t seem to be worried about the long-term effects of this and they are arguably the best run company in the world. Yet we still see utter chaos in the stock market as a whole and we are starting to see panic in the US.

I have used hurricanes as an example on why the media hypes things up and causes economical damage. When a hurricane forms in the Atlantic and approaches the United States absolutely no one knows where it’s going to go. I realize the scientists try to make people think they have a good idea but I’ve been watching these things for 30 years and they are wrong 100% of the time as to their initial thoughts of where it will land. Absolutely every time they are wrong. Nothing wrong with that of course however when the media beats the drums early they literally get the entire Southeast United States in an economic downturn until the storm finally does land. When all they really need to do is wait until about three days out and then they have about an 80% accuracy as to within 200 miles where it will hit. And they can warn the people in that area and people can start to evacuate. That’s exactly how they used to do it in the 90’s. But then the media discovered Hurricane Katrina and the awesome power the media can weld using hurricanes in the future. The rest is history. Now every named storm that comes near the US the media goes into an absolute frenzy. It’s starting to work that way even with snow storms now in the north east where I grew up. I apologize for the long read but for the last several pages of this thread I’ve been making my case that the media is dangerous and it gets worse every year. They are absolutely biased and have an agenda and if you don’t see that you are either not paying attention or you don’t want to see it.

I hope everyone stays safe and I pray this virus does not hit the United States or any other country in the world in a hard way like it has China. I pray this thing goes away as soon as possible. I appreciate everyone’s comments on this thread and there’s certainly no reason to fight over this. Human life is precious and so is the economic stability of our country(s) and our families. Let’s do our best stay calm and act rational so we can do as little unnecessary damage as possible.
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N95 is the same (functionally) no matter what it is used for.

The 'N95' designation means that when tested, the respirator blocks 95% of 0.3 micron test particles.

The part most don’t understand is they are single use for the purpose of contagion protection. In that context, the user will eventually have a mask that is carrying pathogens on its outer surface. One touch and you have contact transmission opportunity.

So a medical professional can go through them faster than a construction worker.


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I have a few boxes in stock, but it sounds like I would need MUCH more inventory if they are for single use.

Thanks for the information.
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I have a few boxes in stock, but it sounds like I would need MUCH more inventory if they are for single use.



Thanks for the information.


I should elaborate - single use meant disposable. If I was doing construction and wanted dust control alone then I could use it for a week perhaps.

But if one was in ER intake dealing solely with suspected COVID-19 infected people - then I might go through more than 2 per day.


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I’m based in Asia and the media here has been reporting since Chinese New Year about this as it’s a deadly virus and you can carry and spread it for 14 days without having any symptoms.

I work for a US based company and was surprised that my US based colleagues were quite uninformed about the situation and asked us to travel to places that we were told to avoid (Singapore, Korea, Hong Kong).

Only a month later after it started to affect ‘the West’ (Italy) and also Korea and Japan seemed to have a hard time controlling the situation, did your media pick up on it, because the stock markets started to be affected.

I don’t see how that gets people to think that ‘the media’ wants to crash the economy.

I think in the US, people’s minds are too clouded with politics to see things for the way they really are any more...


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Most of the US media, and Canadian media would love to see the stock market take a huge tumble in the next half year. This outbreak is a good excuse for them to use to ins-till fear to see that happen.
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N95 is the same (functionally) no matter what it is used for.

The 'N95' designation means that when tested, the respirator blocks 95% of 0.3 micron test particles.

The part many don’t understand is they are single use for the purpose of contagion protection. In that context, the user will eventually have a mask that is carrying pathogens on its outer surface. One touch and you have contact transmission opportunity.

So a medical professional can go through them faster than a construction worker.


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The US surgeon general just told the public to stop buying masks because they don’t work against coronavirus. He just tweeted about it.
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The US surgeon general just told the public to stop buying masks because they don’t work against coronavirus. He just tweeted about it.
I read a similar article.

The supply of respirators where I live is very low/depleted. I spent the whole week tracking down 3m respirators so that I would have enough to get through the next few months.
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The US surgeon general just told the public to stop buying masks because they don’t work against coronavirus. He just tweeted about it.


I can understand that because panicky hoarding can disrupt the supply/demand balance of need vs. want.

Many here are sane-minded and have understood that it is the infected ones who ought to wear the simple ear loop surgical mask to avoid spreading airborne pathogens.

The same mask worn by 300 million healthy ones is not that effective for many reasons. E.g., ranging from failure to filter the viral particles in aerosoled explosively sneezed output to poor hygiene habits and secondary sources of contagion.


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is is not a flu people, watch and hear this video.

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is is not a flu people, watch and hear this video.


You left out the emoji

Where is her tinfoil hat? 5-G creates infectious bats??? Who’d a thunk it?

But I do like FB blocking nutzo’s blathering on CV.


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Apparently you don’t understand the US media. Don’t feel bad about that, it seems most Americans don’t really understand the media. If you study them for a while like I have you’d absolutely 100% know what’s on their mind all the time and it’s not coronavirus. Coronavirus is nothing more than a tool for them to manipulate a desired outcome.

Anyway that’s not important. What’s important is what they’re doing is affecting the economy. I find it silly so many here are saying the media didn’t cause the stock market crash when I can literally link dozens of articles stating just that. People get their news from the media. It’s the media saying this is the end of the world. You obviously want to dump all your stocks when it’s the end of the world because of self-preservation. Certainly economical self-preservation takes precedence in these situations right? It’s the natural human order to think of oneself first. All I’m saying is there’s a proper time to react and this isn’t it. I’m not saying it won’t happen it looks like it just might. All I’m saying is that it’s too late now to avoid any economical consequences because the media has already committed itself to that. So if the coronavirus doesn’t hit the United States and kill thousands of people then one could say the millions of people that are going to lose their jobs over the course of the next six months have done so for nothing. Make no mistake when the stock market drops 10 to 15% like it has people are going to lose jobs. Livelihoods and families will be affected. I do understand with the supply chain interrupted from China that’s definitely going to affect some stocks and so even in the current situation without media influence we had to have some stock changes. Look at Apple. I saw an interview with their CEO Tim Cook and he doesn’t seem to be worried about the long-term effects of this and they are arguably the best run company in the world. Yet we still see utter chaos in the stock market as a whole and we are starting to see panic in the US.

I have used hurricanes as an example on why the media hypes things up and causes economical damage. When a hurricane forms in the Atlantic and approaches the United States absolutely no one knows where it’s going to go. I realize the scientists try to make people think they have a good idea but I’ve been watching these things for 30 years and they are wrong 100% of the time as to their initial thoughts of where it will land. Absolutely every time they are wrong. Nothing wrong with that of course however when the media beats the drums early they literally get the entire Southeast United States in an economic downturn until the storm finally does land. When all they really need to do is wait until about three days out and then they have about an 80% accuracy as to within 200 miles where it will hit. And they can warn the people in that area and people can start to evacuate. That’s exactly how they used to do it in the 90’s. But then the media discovered Hurricane Katrina and the awesome power the media can weld using hurricanes in the future. The rest is history. Now every named storm that comes near the US the media goes into an absolute frenzy. It’s starting to work that way even with snow storms now in the north east where I grew up. I apologize for the long read but for the last several pages of this thread I’ve been making my case that the media is dangerous and it gets worse every year. They are absolutely biased and have an agenda and if you don’t see that you are either not paying attention or you don’t want to see it.

I hope everyone stays safe and I pray this virus does not hit the United States or any other country in the world in a hard way like it has China. I pray this thing goes away as soon as possible. I appreciate everyone’s comments on this thread and there’s certainly no reason to fight over this. Human life is precious and so is the economic stability of our country(s) and our families. Let’s do our best stay calm and act rational so we can do as little unnecessary damage as possible.

Here we go again. Folks, you just don't understand the media. Can we all, PLEASE, just agree with Mr. Patton...so he can be right. He's been studying for a while now.
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Apparently you don’t understand the US media. Don’t feel bad about that, it seems most Americans don’t really understand the media. If you study them for a while like I have you’d absolutely 100% know what’s on their mind all the time and it’s not coronavirus. Coronavirus is nothing more than a tool for them to manipulate a desired outcome.
Brett:

I enjoy your watch posts and respect your opinions about the same. I also enjoy you sense of humor.

However, I do not agree with your blanket statement. While I agree that there are a lot of bozo’s in the media (just like many other professions), not everyone reporter can be painted with this broad brush.

Nor do I believe that any ideological camp is any more immune from the pushing agendas and pandering to click bait, in general and specifically with regard to the corona virus.

To me, there appears to be people who want to magnify the problem and people who want to minimize the problem, both to further their own agendas and to get more clicks on their articles from their target base. Each of these groups of people are equally harmful to an informed public.

But there also appears to be those who are trying to ascertain the truth, no matter the effect on their agendas.

Same as it’s always been.
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You left out the emoji

Where is her tinfoil hat? 5-G creates infectious bats??? Who’d a thunk it?

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You didnt even checked the movie...it takes an hour, you respond within 20 minutes
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You didnt even checked the movie...it takes an hour, you respond within 20 minutes

Oh, I did - your clickbaiting should be reported IMHO.

It took only 15 minutes for the BS meter to spike to 100...

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Brett:

I enjoy your watch posts and respect your opinions about the same. I also enjoy you sense of humor.

However, I do not agree with your blanket statement. While I agree that there are a lot of bozo’s in the media (just like many other professions), not everyone reporter can be painted with this broad brush.

Nor do I believe that any ideological camp is any more immune from the pushing agendas and pandering to click bait, in general and specifically with regard to the corona virus.

To me, there appears to be people who want to magnify the problem and people who want to minimize the problem, both to further their own agendas and to get more clicks on their articles from their target base. Each of these groups of people are equally harmful to an informed public.

But there also appears to be those who are trying to ascertain the truth, no matter the effect on their agendas.

Same as it’s always been.
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It took only 15 minutes for the BS meter to spike to 100...

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I am ashamed people do not even want to consider other facts then our media is trying to give us.

But go ahead, vaccinate your children...w'll see who will be ashamed.
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But go ahead, vaccinate your children...w'll see who will be ashamed.

You’re welcome to believe anything and I respect that right.

But don’t label conspiracy theories as fact here on TRF - that belongs elsewhere IMHO.

After the first few minutes I found this background on that YT nut...

https://thenextweb.com/socialmedia/2...n-5g-internet/

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But don’t label conspiracy theories as fact here on TRF - that belongs elsewhere IMHO.

After the first few minutes I found this background on that YT nut...

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Maybe you would consider reading this one

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020...hina-epidemic/

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I’m all for overreacting. Let’s take seriously now, when it’s easier to scale the solution.

I’m hearing from my friends who work for large care organizations that they are having supply issues....aka we are not prepared for a large scale problem.
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Brett:

I enjoy your watch posts and respect your opinions about the same. I also enjoy you sense of humor.

However, I do not agree with your blanket statement. While I agree that there are a lot of bozo’s in the media (just like many other professions), not everyone reporter can be painted with this broad brush.

Nor do I believe that any ideological camp is any more immune from the pushing agendas and pandering to click bait, in general and specifically with regard to the corona virus.

To me, there appears to be people who want to magnify the problem and people who want to minimize the problem, both to further their own agendas and to get more clicks on their articles from their target base. Each of these groups of people are equally harmful to an informed public.

But there also appears to be those who are trying to ascertain the truth, no matter the effect on their agendas.

Same as it’s always been.
I appreciate that man. I guess I shouldn’t make a blanket statement. Let’s say 90% of the media is like I said. After all compromise is important.
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Old 1 March 2020, 12:14 AM   #540
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Sooo is everyone in the US already walking around with surgical masks?

Haven't seen one over here.
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