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24 May 2019, 07:07 AM | #91 |
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Rik is a smart man. Pretty sure he seen the writing on the wall and is stocked up.
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24 May 2019, 11:17 AM | #92 |
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3135 definitely since it's still being produced. 3035 I'm not sure, but I'd imagine they'd keep servicing those for a while.
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24 May 2019, 11:27 AM | #93 |
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24 May 2019, 12:07 PM | #94 |
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Rolex just seems to be adopting a business plan that will make other watches more attractive. It seems like a dangerous game!
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24 May 2019, 12:33 PM | #95 |
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Rolex pulling most indy parts accounts
If there’s demand for something the ADs can’t deliver, surely someone will figure out how to do it, probably with AD support... People are people after all...
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Keep in mind that for every Rik or Vanessa or Rolliworks, there are hacks who use substandard parts, incorrect lubes and gaskets and yada. Or do terrible polishing/refinishing and so on. You could see this as Rolex wanting to clamp down on free enterprise. OR... You could see this as Rolex wanting to exert a lasting degree of quality control over its product during the products lifespan. I'm a nobody so I have no idea. But I do know that plenty of specialty products are only servicable by the places that make them, both to make sure the job is done right and to ensure that the products perform as they should so as not to damage the reputation of said product.
It would be great if Rolex could find a way to work with long-standing independents with impeccable track records but it's just not going to happen. Anymore than Ferrari is going to work with brilliant but unauthorized mechanics who have deep understanding and love of the design. |
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24 May 2019, 02:51 PM | #99 |
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Is this true for Tudor as well?
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24 May 2019, 03:11 PM | #101 |
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Law.... Just because the law can “fix” something doesn’t mean it should.
When you purchase a watch, a piece of software, a printer, a vehicle, whatever it may be, you are purchasing solely that item. Buying a manufacturer’s product doesn’t logically or otherwise entitle you to further rights to purchase parts or other items in the future from that manufacturer. Now some governments have stepped in to force private businesses to do these things and this is madness. How do you possibly force a business to sell something they don’t want to sell? What happens if the business runs out, stops production, retires machinery, shuts down entirely? At what point do we draw the line? Who will Rolex be forced to sell to? My neighbor, the shade-tree watchmaker?? Myself? Why not? Is the government now in the business of deciding who is smart enough or deserving of parts? If Rolex has shipped all of a certain part to its AD’s and then shut down production, should they be forced to spend a quarter million to spin the machinery back up and make another production run just because an independent orders one, or face penalties? Should Rolex be forced to produce and publish a service manual for it’s references? If Rolex can be forced to then why wouldn’t Bob’s Custom Watches? But Rolex can afford it and Bob can’t. Better ask Daddy Government who should be forced to comply and who shouldn’t.... Or maybe screw Bob’s Custom Watches and he should quit and go to work for Rolex. Maybe we should all quit and go to work for the big boys who can afford to deal with regulations and requirements. This can absolutely devolve into insanity. Rolex can sell what they want to who they want. They owe you nothing past the product you purchased and honoring any associated agreements and warranties. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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IMHO, If no one but Rolex can service their watches the used market on Rolex's will die a slow painful death.
Why would anyone buy a 10 or 15 year old watch that Rolex probably won't service if it's that old. I love it! Rolex will become the new throw away watch just like Timex! But I suspect that their prices will either have to come down or most sane people will just quit buying them. Looks to me like a really bad business decision considering the clout Rolex currently has. Especially in the used resale value market. Time will tell... |
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Sad and scary to read this.
When you inherit an old Patek you know nothing about, you can go to them and they will handle your request with utmost seriousness. They'll provide you with advisory (dial is damaged but we don't recommend to change it), estimation, repair instead of changing parts. In short, Patek advises its clients, they take into consideration the heritage of the watch and the owner. I would love Rolex to follow the same approach. Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk |
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Lousy move for the watchmakers, for the average Rolex owner does not change anything
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What was the final outcome of Swatch/ETA stopping the supply of watch parts to other small manufacturers?
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I mean, if it becomes a question of keeping your vintage watch with lots of sentimental value functional with a couple of unoriginal parts, or retiring it because you only want original parts in it, I know what I'd choose. It's part of the charm of mechanical watches that they can always be kept running, and if Rolex won't do it for their 50+ year old watches (which they should, but never did), someone else can. Again, it's not like it's a new thing that Rolex stops production of parts for their old calibers. The production of the 1575 ended in 1981, 38 years ago, so the time for spare parts production coming to an end was due after Rolex standards. Let's say the 3135 is finally discontinued in 2020, that means it will be in a similar situation around 2058. Unless Rolex changes their practice of spare part availability, of course. So many of these movements have been produced that parts will probably be sourceable for a long time after spare part production stops. Making parts won't be a necessity for the forseeable future, even for a movement like the 1575 which was first intoduced in the 60’s and ended production in the 80’s.
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That said, if Rolex now starts reducing spare part availability to official RSCs, a lot less parts will be out there "in the wild" than before, as they were with the old movements. That could mean that making parts for a 3135 will become a more acute necessity the day RSCs decides to stop servicing it, if independents haven't been able to order parts for decades and no spares are in circulation. But then again, that could be around the year 2060 for all we know, and who knows what could change by then. Not to mention what the production capabilities of independent watchmakers will be like. Regardless of any of this, the important point is that your watch doesn't need to become a paperweight.
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Heard from a Rolex AD that Rolex normally is able to deliver movement-parts some 30 years after they are discontinued, when asking for service vintage watches. Don’t know if there is any right or wrong to the claim?!
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25 May 2019, 02:35 AM | #119 |
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Personally, I have little doubt that Rolex will do whatever it takes to ensure the brand status is maintained and that would include providing parts for older models. It seems obvious that they are favoring watchmakers associated with an AD - just as specialty automakers have reduced or eliminated the selling of parts and diagnostic equipment to independents, favoring their dealers.
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I just got back from two Rolex AD's in my area that informed me they cannot and won't change my Rolex band from the original to a RubberB. They claim that it's direct from Rolex they can't do it.
What a joke. I buy an 8K$ watch and the AD won't change the band if I request it. This from a company that partially became famous from 007 wearing a Sub on Nato that didn't even fit the watch! Let's hope those independent Rolex shops stick around for a while. BTW.....Before I hear, you could just change it yourself.....you are correct. However, I don't own the tools, didn't want to order them, and don't have the desire to do it myself. |
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