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Old 4 April 2020, 07:46 PM   #5071
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Does anyone wake up in the morning and struggle to believe this is all happening?

My mental health is starting to suffer pretty badly, I just canít take all this in at times. Itís so surreal.


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Yes - but it will be okay - day by day we are getting closer to the 'darkest day' and after that it just gets better. One day at a time friend. Keep going.
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Old 4 April 2020, 08:11 PM   #5072
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My mental health is starting to suffer pretty badly, I just canít take all this in at times. Itís so surreal.


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Agreed, itís almost unbelievable to contemplate how much our lives ha e changed in 6 weeks. To gain a semblance of balance, it might be a good idea to take a break from the news, and perhaps also this thread!

I agree, itís hard to mentally navigate through when so much is beyond our ability to influence. I would try, instead, to focus on what you can control.

Keep your spirits up, try to eat well, and try to enjoy some decent spring weather this weekend!

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Old 4 April 2020, 08:15 PM   #5073
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We are being asked to stay at home at watch TV, FFS.

If you are in good health and your friends and family are all similarly then you really should count your blessings, sit back, relax and tune out of constant media hysterics.

This will blow over.
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Old 4 April 2020, 08:49 PM   #5075
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Thanks for the kind messages

I appreciate people saying Ďall you need to do is stay homeí but that is different for different people. It takes a huge toll on those susceptible to mental health and other problems to begin with believe me.

I wish I could sit and watch tv and tune it all out but the other health issues unfortunately didnít go away when this pandemic arrived.

(Really not trying to moan as I appreciate some are going through catastrophic times and they are in my thoughts )


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The magnitude of the failure of world leaders is simply overwhelming to contemplate. No need for them to even be interested in the news. They just needed to watch Netflix to see what was coming. And yet they have failed us.

I wake up angry, then the news reports the death toll, and I get sad.

Later, I may venture out to the supermarket, which has become a dreaded event. Will I bring back home the virus that kills my mother? I don't know. Stay tuned, I'll let you know, . . . . hopefully.

Yeah, I'm scared, angry, and sad, all at once, and in varying degrees at different points during the day.
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Old 4 April 2020, 10:09 PM   #5078
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Does anyone wake up in the morning and struggle to believe this is all happening?
Absolutely, yes. I also find myself feeling some guilt and disconnectedness from what is happening. I’m sitting here warm (even though it’s 9 degrees F) and safe in the evergreen forest while not far away, people are sick or dying, and essential workers in society are risking everything to keep the rest of us fed, safe and comfortable.

The worst moment in my day is when the peaceful escape of the night’s sleep is suddenly replaced by grim reality.
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Old 4 April 2020, 10:11 PM   #5079
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Here in Canada, things are getting pretty serious(not as many cases as you guys) I work in a bank. I need to go the branch each to day to help clients get through this. Fortunately for us, the banks have allowed to skip your mortgage payments for 6 months if you lost your job due to COVID-19, and to be honest I'd say, at least 85% of my appointments(by phone) are for this. It is not easy mentally to hear so many stories about how they lost their jobs and they can't make ends meet. This week, we even had a client who needed to exchange his change(pennies) for cash to eat(most of our stores refuse cash, you can only pay by credit/debit). I'm trying to be optimistic but it is not easy...

In times like these, you realize how lucky you are to have family, health and a job...

Can you do something similar with your mortgage/loans in the US?

Take care guys!
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Old 4 April 2020, 10:18 PM   #5080
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On a less serious note, here is a better and more thorough explaination of the toilet paper shortage. Makes me thankful for all the TP I have used at Starbucks over the years.

https://marker.medium.com/what-every...e-c812e1358fe0

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We will (and to some extent are) having the same supply chain / distribution model problems with food. Think of the shift from restaurant supply now needing to shift to grocery stores. Different plants, different packaging, different supply companies for grocery versus restaurants, etc.
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Old 4 April 2020, 10:21 PM   #5081
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Here in Canada, things are getting pretty serious(not as many cases as you guys) but I work in a bank. I need to go the branch each to day to help clients get through this. Fortunately for us, the banks have allowed to skip your mortgage payments for 6 months if you lost your job due to COVID-19, and to be honest I'd say, at least 85% of my appointments(by phone) are for this. It is not easy mentally to hear so many stories about how they lost their jobs and they can't make ends meet. This week, we even had a client who needed to exchange his change(pennies) for cash to eat(most of our stores refuse cash, you can only pay by credit/debit). I'm trying to be optimistic but it is not easy...

In times like these, you realize how lucky you are to have family, health and a job...

Can you do something similar with your mortgage/loans in the US?

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Absolutely, yes. I also find myself feeling some guilt and disconnectedness from what is happening. Iím sitting here warm (even though itís 9 degrees F) and safe in the evergreen forest while not far away, people are sick or dying, and essential workers in society are risking everything to keep the rest of us fed, safe and comfortable.

The worst moment in my day is when the peaceful escape of the nightís sleep is suddenly replaced by grim reality.
It's overwhelming a lot of the time.
I'm finding lately that the best part of the day is that 10 seconds when you wake up before you remember what's going on.
Our 5 and 8 year old daughters have taken to sleeping with us these days in our big bed and it's actually been pretty comforting to be honest. I look over at those peaceful faces and remember why we're all doing this.
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Old 4 April 2020, 10:35 PM   #5083
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I am looking at it as a war.

I am fortunate enough to be married to a positive, cheerful wife. We live in a fairly spacious suburban house bordering a wooded park. I understand it is more difficult for people who live alone, who do not get along with their spouse or have badly behaved children. Also, many have lost their jobs and/ or have financial issues.

If there was a nuclear attack and radioactive fallout, I am staying inside. Not much different here. It is your community duty not to infect or get infected. It is a matter of Hospital capacity for your community. We live in New Jersey, USA, the number 2 hotspot to New York. It must be spreading through the extensive and crowded public transportation system.
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Old 4 April 2020, 10:42 PM   #5084
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Here in Canada, things are getting pretty serious(not as many cases as you guys) I work in a bank. I need to go the branch each to day to help clients get through this. Fortunately for us, the banks have allowed to skip your mortgage payments for 6 months if you lost your job due to COVID-19, and to be honest I'd say, at least 85% of my appointments(by phone) are for this. It is not easy mentally to hear so many stories about how they lost their jobs and they can't make ends meet. This week, we even had a client who needed to exchange his change(pennies) for cash to eat(most of our stores refuse cash, you can only pay by credit/debit). I'm trying to be optimistic but it is not easy...

In times like these, you realize how lucky you are to have family, health and a job...

Can you do something similar with your mortgage/loans in the US?

Take care guys!
The 6 month staycation on mortgages is a creative idea and Iíve heard as of yesterday that over 500,000 applications have been received. Iím curious what sort of proof if any, the applicants must show to qualify.

FWIW most of our bank branches are closed here in Waterloo Ontario.

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We will have to agree to disagree. The 1918 epidemic, World War I, World War II, the atomic bombs, the Great Depression, the Holocaust, AIDS, and so many other challenges. The world comes back. People marry, have children, celebrate happy days, build and rebuild societies. I personally don’t see this pandemic as the end of civilization. JMHO.
Couldn’t agree more Joey.

We have to stay the course and have some view toward a positive future here.

I agree that the effects of all of this (economically, socially speaking) will be horrible, but we will over come this.
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Old 4 April 2020, 10:51 PM   #5086
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Easy to point a finger at the young generation when it is caused by the parenting of the generation before that
This kind of proves my point - itís never their fault, everyone else has a duty to give them anything they want and to make them happy.

If they screw up, then blame the older generation

Victim culture
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Old 4 April 2020, 10:51 PM   #5087
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The 6 month staycation on mortgages is a creative idea and Iíve heard as of yesterday that over 500,000 applications have been received. Iím curious what sort of proof if any, the applicants must show to qualify.

FWIW most of our bank branches are closed here in Waterloo Ontario.

Stay safe
Quick online application. Friend did it and in the morning was approved. Took 5 minutes and guessing it's a quick look at your history etc. He's never missed a payment etc but this helps a lot as he's just lost his job.
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I am looking at it as a war.

I am fortunate enough to be married to a positive, cheerful wife. We live in a fairly spacious suburban house bordering a wooded park. I understand it is more difficult for people who live alone, who do not get along with their spouse or have badly behaved children. Also, many have lost their jobs and/ or have financial issues.

If there was a nuclear attack and radioactive fallout, I am staying inside. Not much different here. It is your community duty not to infect or get infected. It is a matter of Hospital capacity for your community. We live in New Jersey, USA, the number 2 hotspot to New York. It must be spreading through the extensive and crowded public transportation system.

I think thatís a good way to look at it. And yes, you are very lucky. Me too.

But we all have our own perspective. I want to be on the front lines. I want to do what I can to help. I want to be a part of the solution. Even if itís just a small cog in the wheel.

So itís incredibly challenging mentally for me to be sitting in my home watching other people, including some of my own team, take risks. Iíve been out to show support and do certain things for my customers when required and Iím completely wrapped up in mask and gloves and Iím washing and following all protocols.

However, 99% of the time Iím inside. Watching. Instead of doing.

Partially because I donít want to infect anyone if Iím asymptomatic. Partially because I donít want to bring home anything to my amazing wife.

The idea of watching her sick, destroys me. The idea of watching her watch me be sick, I canít quite put the pain that conjure into words.

The worst part about this for me is not being able to help.
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Old 4 April 2020, 10:55 PM   #5089
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This kind of proves my point - itís never their fault, everyone else has a duty to give them anything they want and to make them happy.

If they screw up, then blame the older generation

Victim culture
I have this discussion regarding my nephew all the time.
At what point does the "younger generation" realize they're old enough to be responsible for their own actions?
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Quick online application. Friend did it and in the morning was approved. Took 5 minutes and guessing it's a quick look at your history etc. He's never missed a payment etc but this helps a lot as he's just lost his job.
Thatís amazing and good to know, thank you. I have friends who may need to receive this help, and will share with them now (if they donít already know).
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Thatís amazing and good to know, thank you. I have friends who may need to receive this help, and will share with them now (if they donít already know).
Hey Brian - no sweat. He filled it out at night and was approved the next morning. Believe he's with TD. Any bit helps these days.
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Old 4 April 2020, 11:01 PM   #5092
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Couldn’t agree more Joey.

We have to stay the course and have some view toward a positive future here.

I agree that the effects of all of this (economically, socially speaking) will be horrible, but we will over come this.
Maybe. But to say with certainly is simply wishful thinking.

No matter how you slice this, things will be very different going forward.

You guys can all name the various things we’ve gotten through before. But those same people have mentioned in this thread that this is unprecedented.

Yes, I too am confident that we will eventually overcome. Things will normalize and our species will continue. But the new normal will be very different.

How that is defined remains to be seen.

Im not being negative. I’m being pragmatic.

We currently have no end in sight. That’s a fact. So we can’t state that things will get back to normal. Until an actual end is defined, it is just impossible to say what will be.

Edit to add I agree we need to stay the course. I’m not disputing that. But in this ever evolving situation we also need to be dynamic and open minded. A new way will emerge and we need to be ready to make the best future we can.
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I think thatís a good way to look at it. And yes, you are very lucky. Me too.

But we all have our own perspective. I want to be on the front lines. I want to do what I can to help. I want to be a part of the solution. Even if itís just a small cog in the wheel.

So itís incredibly challenging mentally for me to be sitting in my home watching other people, including some of my own team, take risks. Iíve been out to show support and do certain things for my customers when required and Iím completely wrapped up in mask and gloves and Iím washing and following all protocols.

However, 99% of the time Iím inside. Watching. Instead of doing.

Partially because I donít want to infect anyone if Iím asymptomatic. Partially because I donít want to bring home anything to my amazing wife.

The idea of watching her sick, destroys me. The idea of watching her watch me be sick, I canít quite put the pain that conjure into words.

The worst part about this for me is not being able to help.
I know youíre not asking for suggestions, but I mentioned this in another thread, and perhaps itís worth mentioning again here ...

One fantastic way to help is through your local food bank. They are hit with a triple whammy right now: People who hoarded things like canned goods and toilet paper, people donate less in times like these, and more people than ever need our help.

If youíve got the means, a donation of money, food or time to a local food bank can make a huge impact.

This is what our family has chosen to do to help out.

I feel the same as you. Letís beat thins thing brother.
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I think thatís a good way to look at it. And yes, you are very lucky. Me too.

But we all have our own perspective. I want to be on the front lines. I want to do what I can to help. I want to be a part of the solution. Even if itís just a small cog in the wheel.

So itís incredibly challenging mentally for me to be sitting in my home watching other people, including some of my own team, take risks. Iíve been out to show support and do certain things for my customers when required and Iím completely wrapped up in mask and gloves and Iím washing and following all protocols.

However, 99% of the time Iím inside. Watching. Instead of doing.

Partially because I donít want to infect anyone if Iím asymptomatic. Partially because I donít want to bring home anything to my amazing wife.

The idea of watching her sick, destroys me. The idea of watching her watch me be sick, I canít quite put the pain that conjure into words.

The worst part about this for me is not being able to help.
Being passive is being active in this slow motion train wreck. We look forward to seeing you both at a future, very happy watch event!
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Maybe. But to say with certainly is simply wishful thinking.

No matter how you slice this, things will be very different going forward.

You guys can all name the various things weíve gotten through before. But those same people have mentioned in this thread that this is unprecedented.

Yes, I too am confident that we will eventually overcome. Things will normalize and our species will continue. But the new normal will be very different.

How that is defined remains to be seen.

Im not being negative. Iím being pragmatic.

We currently have no end in sight. Thatís a fact. So we canít state that things will get back to normal. Until an actual end is defined, it is just impossible to say what will be.

Edit to add I agree we need to stay the course. Iím not disputing that. But Iím this ever evolving situation we also need to be dynamic and open minded. A new way will emerge and we need to be ready to make the best future we can.
I agree with you to a certain extent. Will things change? Absolutely.

The silver lining if thereís is one, is that we will be better prepared for the next time if one of these pandemics occurs again.

There are many positives to come out of this in terms of readiness, companies mobilizing to help, medical communities collaborating and most of all, the power of people to come together from all walks of life toward a common good.

All we have to look at is the past and thatís why I think itís so powerful to mention how we did overcome these type of past events.

Maybe itís a bit like the stock market thread .... all you have is past performance to go on....

I respect your view brother.
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Being passive is being active in this slow motion train wreck. We look forward to seeing you both at a future, very happy watch event!
I canít wait to see your smiling faces again.

I kid you not, I write this with goose bumps. I canít wait until the next time my friend.
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I know youíre not asking for suggestions, but I mentioned this in another thread, and perhaps itís worth mentioning again here ...

One fantastic way to help is through your local food bank. They are hit with a triple whammy right now: People who hoarded things like canned goods and toilet paper, people donate less in times like these, and more people than ever need our help.

If youíve got the means, a donation of money, food or time to a local food bank can make a huge impact.

This is what our family has chosen to do to help out.

I feel the same as you. Letís beat thins thing brother.
Iím with you brother. Letís beat this thing is right!!!

Iím helping in my small ways. But Iím more of a take charge kind of guy. This passive style helping grates at me.

But as my scarlet friend points out, itís our way of supporting the greater cause.
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I agree with you to a certain extent. Will things change? Absolutely.

The silver lining if thereís is one, is that we will be better prepared for the next time if one of these pandemics occurs again.

There are many positives to come out of this in terms of readiness, companies mobilizing to help, medical communities collaborating and most of all, the power of people to come together from all walks of life toward a common good.

All we have to look at is the past and thatís why I think itís so powerful to mention how we did overcome these type of past events.

Maybe itís a bit like the stock market thread .... all you have is past performance to go on....

I respect your view brother.
I agree with everything you say, as per usual.

And I appreciate your attitude and perspective, as per usual.

This would be a better discussion over a meal.
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Ugh. Top leadership in my state (not naming names) made a discovery two days ago that the virus can spread asymptomatically, hence the statewide shutdown. Can't believe he did not know this over a month ago like everybody else. Just wow. SMH.
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I just said that to my wife. Exact same words.
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