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dfoverdx · 6 July 2020, 06:55 PM

Hi All,

My first post in the forum. Price of perpetual calendar chronograph (say 5270) is pretty much similar to QP alone + chronograph. What would be your choice if you had enough budget to buy ? Would you go for 5270 or buy two watch instead ?

IBDOC · 6 July 2020, 07:18 PM

Depends on what you’re gonna do with it/them and if you have other watches in rotation? A manual PCC might be a little frustrating to use as a daily wear.

Also if you were planning on buying from An AD they might not offer you a 5270 without prior purchase history. Especially the 5270P salmon dial.

ts3 · 6 July 2020, 10:33 PM

I tend to prefer simple and less busy looking dials and would probably go PC plus Chrono rather than PCC.

I might well get a preowned 3940 now and wait for a 5968 from my AD. This makes for an interesting two-watch collection and is quite a bit cheaper than any 5270 new or preowned.

Never asked my AD but I am surprised they would not jump on the opportunity to sell a 5270P. Demand has got to be low given how much those have tanked.

jon_jon · 6 July 2020, 11:00 PM

PCC vs PC + chrono. They are all great watches with a long history, as Patek has been producing PCs, chronos and PCCs for the longest time.

It depends on if you are buying pre-owned vs new from AD.

If you are in Geneva, I would recommend that you go into the Salon and try on the 5270, several PCs and several chronos.

For PCs, there are 5327, 5320, 5159, 5496 and 5740.

As for chronos, there are 5172, 5980, 5960, 5905, 5990, 5968 and maybe some discontinued models.

yoast · 7 July 2020, 12:40 AM

i'd go 5970

AK797 · 7 July 2020, 01:13 AM

PCC for me, this is an area where Patek truly excels.

tom2517 · 7 July 2020, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dfoverdx

Hi All,

My first post in the forum. Price of perpetual calendar chronograph (say 5270) is pretty much similar to QP alone + chronograph. What would be your choice if you had enough budget to buy ? Would you go for 5270 or buy two watch instead ?

Unless you must have name on the paper, better to buy on the secondary market, prices are weak on 5270, even the platinum the version.

dfoverdx · 7 July 2020, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK797

PCC for me, this is an area where Patek truly excels.

Indeed that’s why I was more inclined to PCC.

dfoverdx · 7 July 2020, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by IBDOC

Depends on what you’re gonna do with it/them and if you have other watches in rotation? A manual PCC might be a little frustrating to use as a daily wear.

Also if you were planning on buying from An AD they might not offer you a 5270 without prior purchase history. Especially the 5270P salmon dial.

Right now I have 5196p only and aim is to wear watches on daily basis.

jon_jon · 8 July 2020, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dfoverdx

Right now I have 5196p only and aim is to wear watches on daily basis.

If you are used to a manual wind watch already, a manual wind PCC should be fine. Compared to the 5196, which is very slim, the PCC is going to have some heft to it. 5270 is not too thick compared to say an ACC (5960 or 5905). The manual chrono movement allows for a less thick case compared to a self-wind Chrono.

LJubel328 · 8 July 2020, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IBDOC

Depends on what you’re gonna do with it/them and if you have other watches in rotation? A manual PCC might be a little frustrating to use as a daily wear.

Also if you were planning on buying from An AD they might not offer you a 5270 without prior purchase history. Especially the 5270P salmon dial.

I was about to purchase a 5270p with no prior purchase history from a large AD in NYC. As others have mentioned, the demand is not there and there should be no issue purchasing; however, with secondary prices so low it would be better to go grey.

Calatrava r · 8 July 2020, 04:36 AM

I would go with both with a PC and a Chronograph as two watches. That way you can leave the PC on the winder when not in use and wind the chrono whenever you want to wear it. This way you can forget them for a while both if you desire. The PCC is a manual perpetual calendar which needs to be wound every day. Sort of a pain unless you are in that. It eventually gets old. Another option is to wind the PCC when you want to wear it and forget about setting the calendar as many owners do.

Calatrava r · 8 July 2020, 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IBDOC

Depends on what you’re gonna do with it/them and if you have other watches in rotation? A manual PCC might be a little frustrating to use as a daily wear.

Also if you were planning on buying from An AD they might not offer you a 5270 without prior purchase history. Especially the 5270P salmon dial.

The 5270P is available on the secondary market at attractive prices. Not hard to get at all at the moment. Of course, that could change anytime as fickle as the watch market can be.

watchucallit · 8 July 2020, 05:11 AM

IT would drive my OCD crazy not to set the calendar when I am wearing :)
I do agree that it is a pain though. what I usually do with my Lange Perpetual manual wind is when not wearing and go to switch out watches.. just wind it up.. So when I do wear it .. usually a week or 10 days at the most out of sync and easier to get back to correct calendar

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Originally Posted by Calatrava r

I would go with both with a PC and a Chronograph as two watches. That way you can leave the PC on the winder when not in use and wind the chrono whenever you want to wear it. This way you can forget them for a while both if you desire. The PCC is a manual perpetual calendar which needs to be wound every day. Sort of a pain unless you are in that. It eventually gets old. Another option is to wind the PCC when you want to wear it and forget about setting the calendar as many owners do.

vtwinrulez · 8 July 2020, 06:33 AM

I find the thought of wearing a Patek perpetual calendar chronograph every time there's a day in a week very appealing. However, I'd actually struggle to find either a perpetual calendar chronograph, or indeed a chronograph and a perpetual calendar watch from the current collection that I'd buy. At this sort of level, everything has to be perfect - and that includes having coherent fonts that don't look cheap across the dial.

tom2517 · 10 July 2020, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LJubel328

I was about to purchase a 5270p with no prior purchase history from a large AD in NYC. As others have mentioned, the demand is not there and there should be no issue purchasing; however, with secondary prices so low it would be better to go grey.

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pam66 · 11 July 2020, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by LJubel328

I was about to purchase a 5270p with no prior purchase history from a large AD in NYC. As others have mentioned, the demand is not there and there should be no issue purchasing; however, with secondary prices so low it would be better to go grey.

with the AD you should be able to negotiate a package deal. 5270P and a steel nautilus

LJubel328 · 11 July 2020, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by pam66

with the AD you should be able to negotiate a package deal. 5270P and a steel nautilus

That is what I was negotiating.

pam66 · 11 July 2020, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by LJubel328

That is what I was negotiating.

sounds good.

jamestucker · 11 July 2020, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by pam66

with the AD you should be able to negotiate a package deal. 5270P and a steel nautilus

Good advice, I would ask for more than a steel nautilus. I know a guy who got a 5990, 5980/1R and a 5270P as a package deal from AD

Resale value for 5270P is awful at the moment.

pam66 · 11 July 2020, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jamestucker

Good advice, I would ask for more than a steel nautilus. I know a guy who got a 5990, 5980/1R and a 5270P as a package deal from AD

Resale value for 5270P is awful at the moment.

that package sounds cool. he is basically getting the 5270P for free. or almost..

jamestucker · 12 July 2020, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by pam66

that package sounds cool. he is basically getting the 5270P for free. or almost..

Not getting the 5270P for free lol may be for 30 - 40K. I agree it is a win win situation for both sides.

Pongster · 12 July 2020, 09:50 PM

Considering a 5327. This thread made me consider a 3970. Almost same price (BNIB PC and the preowned PCC).

Pongster · 12 July 2020, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jamestucker

Not getting the 5270P for free lol may be for 30 - 40K. I agree it is a win win situation for both sides.

5270P for 40K? Wow. Not bad. Where can i get one?

Russell996 · 13 July 2020, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pam66

that package sounds cool. he is basically getting the 5270P for free. or almost..

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamestucker

Not getting the 5270P for free lol may be for 30 - 40K. I agree it is a win win situation for both sides.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pongster

5270P for 40K? Wow. Not bad. Where can i get one?

I love man maths

Pongster · 13 July 2020, 01:44 AM

One thing i am grappling with in reading up on PCCs is that all are manual wind.

I guess harks back to pocket watch days.

Just can’t contemplate a perpetual that’s not automatic.

Anyway, there must be a reason all PCCs are manual wind.

tom2517 · 13 July 2020, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Pongster

5270P for 40K? Wow. Not bad. Where can i get one?

I think they are implying if that person flips the 5990 and the 5980 he got from the package deal.

jamestucker · 13 July 2020, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tom2517

I think they are implying if that person flips the 5990 and the 5980 he got from the package deal.

6 July 2020, 06:55 PM	#1
dfoverdx "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: Geneva Posts: 3	Perpetual Chrono Hi All, My first post in the forum. Price of perpetual calendar chronograph (say 5270) is pretty much similar to QP alone + chronograph. What would be your choice if you had enough budget to buy ? Would you go for 5270 or buy two watch instead ?

7 July 2020, 12:40 AM	#5
yoast "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: HK Posts: 2,257	i'd go 5970 __________________ IG: @yoast.watch https://www.instagram.com/yoast.watch/

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6 July 2020, 07:18 PM	#2
IBDOC "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Switzerland Posts: 364	Depends on what you’re gonna do with it/them and if you have other watches in rotation? A manual PCC might be a little frustrating to use as a daily wear. Also if you were planning on buying from An AD they might not offer you a 5270 without prior purchase history. Especially the 5270P salmon dial.

6 July 2020, 10:33 PM	#3
ts3 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Europe Posts: 3,220	I tend to prefer simple and less busy looking dials and would probably go PC plus Chrono rather than PCC. I might well get a preowned 3940 now and wait for a 5968 from my AD. This makes for an interesting two-watch collection and is quite a bit cheaper than any 5270 new or preowned. Never asked my AD but I am surprised they would not jump on the opportunity to sell a 5270P. Demand has got to be low given how much those have tanked.

6 July 2020, 11:00 PM	#4
jon_jon "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Posts: 4,341	PCC vs PC + chrono. They are all great watches with a long history, as Patek has been producing PCs, chronos and PCCs for the longest time. It depends on if you are buying pre-owned vs new from AD. If you are in Geneva, I would recommend that you go into the Salon and try on the 5270, several PCs and several chronos. For PCs, there are 5327, 5320, 5159, 5496 and 5740. As for chronos, there are 5172, 5980, 5960, 5905, 5990, 5968 and maybe some discontinued models.

7 July 2020, 01:13 AM	#6
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,209	PCC for me, this is an area where Patek truly excels.

8 July 2020, 04:36 AM	#12
Calatrava r 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: United States Watch: Rolex and Patek Posts: 10,576	I would go with both with a PC and a Chronograph as two watches. That way you can leave the PC on the winder when not in use and wind the chrono whenever you want to wear it. This way you can forget them for a while both if you desire. The PCC is a manual perpetual calendar which needs to be wound every day. Sort of a pain unless you are in that. It eventually gets old. Another option is to wind the PCC when you want to wear it and forget about setting the calendar as many owners do.

8 July 2020, 06:33 AM	#15
vtwinrulez "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Bella Svizzera Posts: 19	I find the thought of wearing a Patek perpetual calendar chronograph every time there's a day in a week very appealing. However, I'd actually struggle to find either a perpetual calendar chronograph, or indeed a chronograph and a perpetual calendar watch from the current collection that I'd buy. At this sort of level, everything has to be perfect - and that includes having coherent fonts that don't look cheap across the dial.

12 July 2020, 09:50 PM	#23
Pongster "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Marikina Posts: 2,561	Considering a 5327. This thread made me consider a 3970. Almost same price (BNIB PC and the preowned PCC).

13 July 2020, 01:44 AM	#26
Pongster "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Marikina Posts: 2,561	One thing i am grappling with in reading up on PCCs is that all are manual wind. I guess harks back to pocket watch days. Just can’t contemplate a perpetual that’s not automatic. Anyway, there must be a reason all PCCs are manual wind.

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