Porsche Follows VW Down The WRONG Path !

[DLRIDES]

.............. at least they turned themselves in. What a sorted past .................


https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...-manipulation/

[beshannon]

Well it is the same company so I would expect nothing less

[GoingPlaces]

Not surprised.

[Chewbacca]

Apparently this is related to their non Diesel engines.

This then, would be a game changer for Porsche.

Look for a speedy resolution. No automaker pledging electric as their future wants to deal with this now.

[Xenon]

I had a 2013 Cayenne and will be receiving a $2,000 class action lawsuit check shortly.

https://www.macanforum.com/threads/t...scandal.82802/

[DLRIDES]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

Apparently this is related to their non Diesel engines.

This then, would be a game changer for Porsche.

Look for a speedy resolution. No automaker pledging electric as their future wants to deal with this now.

Correct, applies to gas engines.

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by DLRIDES

Correct, applies to gas engines.

Elon is going to ravage troll Porsche.


Stay tuned.

[enjoythemusic]

Who owns Porsche? Who makes the POS Bentley cars?

What automobile company do I refuse to ever buy from?

[Langnam]

Originally Posted by Xenon

I had a 2013 Cayenne and will be receiving a $2,000 class action lawsuit check shortly.

https://www.macanforum.com/threads/t...scandal.82802/

Right? 2014 CayenneS and will be receiving about $900.

Honestly, I never felt wronged by Porsche. Thank you ambulance chaser lawyers, but it really wasn’t necessary.


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[gnuyork]

Yikes... I ended up making enough off my Audi settlement to buy my new Miata (one with the tricked out BBS wheels, Brembo brakes, Bilsteins, and Recaro Alcantara seats).

I drove the Audi for 6 years. It was a great car, but I love the Miata even more.

[Bruce_Wayne]

Who buys a Porsche for its fuel economy and emissions? I would imagine most prospective buys are looking at quality of materials, performance/ handling, tech, reliability, and aesthetics.

The only caveat be the e-hybrid models and at their price point there is no equivalent car/SUV from a competitor that is not all electric.


Don’t get me wrong especially for 911s and 718s there performance to fuel economy is “on paper” good. I just don’t think that is a significant factor in the decision making process. Maybe one day I will be fortunate enough to make that tough decision, until then I’ll stick with my Honda and Ford...

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[RW16610]

That makes me feel happier about the fact I've sworn to never own anything that the VW group got their hands on. Fuel economy aside, it's a dishonest practice to misrepresent these metrics for bypassing regulations, etc.

That's against the law (based on the outcome of the VW brands own debacle). Par for the coruse and what a shame this is. Either way I'm glad it's all coming out in the open.

[GradyPhilpott]

I've learned a lot from my years on TRF and one of those things is to never buy a German car.

It has been my observation that even the loyal, repeat buyers of the German brands don't have much good to say about their reliability.

For me, reliability is at the top of the checklist for both cars and those things that make loud, sharp sound-waves.

[GSDLover]

My Porsche Cayenne diesel has been basically problem free since i bought it in 2013.
But the annual service is ridiculously expensive.

[Langnam]

Exactly. Hence my surprise at the lawsuit and my forthcoming check. Mileage or lack of mpg did not factor into the decision to buy the car.

Thank you, ambulance chasing lawyers!


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[OttawaSteve]

Originally Posted by Bruce_Wayne

Who buys a Porsche for its fuel economy and emissions? I would imagine most prospective buys are looking at quality of materials, performance/ handling, tech, reliability, and aesthetics.

The only caveat be the e-hybrid models and at their price point there is no equivalent car/SUV from a competitor that is not all electric.


Don’t get me wrong especially for 911s and 718s there performance to fuel economy is “on paper” good. I just don’t think that is a significant factor in the decision making process. Maybe one day I will be fortunate enough to make that tough decision, until then I’ll stick with my Honda and Ford...

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They don't sweat the emissions/mileage because of customer wishes; it's to meet the ever more stringent regulations in the EU and China. They have to meet fleet emissions requirements, hence the upcoming move to electrons. We will see how that works out.

[77T]

Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bentley, McLaren and others who have high performance models have likely fiddled with the software and special components to get through emissions or other national requirements.

Now comes Porsche wringing their hands - cost avoidance methinks. By self-reporting they may hope to mitigate the size of the fine/settlements for the installed base.

Maybe VW kept all the Jetta crushers so they can fire them up for their new task.


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[huncho]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

I've learned a lot from my years on TRF and one of those things is to never buy a German car.

It has been my observation that even the loyal, repeat buyers of the German brands don't have much good to say about their reliability.

For me, reliability is at the top of the checklist for both cars and those things that make loud, sharp sound-waves.

not as true for modern german cars

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by huncho

not very true for modern german cars

I'm not going to argue with you, but that is what I've gathered over the last decade.

To be more specific, the word is mostly, don't keep one after the warranty expires.

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[scarlet knight]

I am leasing an Audi A4. In year 2 out of 3 and it is a great and reliable car. After 20 years of Honda Accords, which I bought for reliability in that I formerly did a ton of driving for work. Don't know what I will go with next year.

[J!m]

My last new BMW I ordered in 1998. Still have it. Fuel pump/gage sender went bad. Fixed under warranty. Otherwise, zero issues. I still own it.

Winter beater is a CPO 2013. Dealer found a cracked yoke for the rear diff (supposedly). Replaced under warranty after I reminded them it’s a CPO car. I secretly wonder if they take pot shots a customers to see who bites on the “cracked yoke” scam... (I never saw the old part). Otherwise, zero issues. And the turbo 2 liter is supposedly a time bomb engine. I do my oil changes early but otherwise drive it.

[Brenngun]

Originally Posted by RW16610

That makes me feel happier about the fact I've sworn to never own anything that the VW group got their hands on. Fuel economy aside, it's a dishonest practice to misrepresent these metrics for bypassing regulations, etc.

That's against the law (based on the outcome of the VW brands own debacle). Par for the coruse and what a shame this is. Either way I'm glad it's all coming out in the open.

100% agree with this opinion. It amazes me how many are willing to let this kind of unethical business practice slide by under the caveat of “well no one buys it for mileage ratings”. That’s not the point of ethics. They should face fines heavier than the parent company since this is their second indiscretion and can’t be smoke screened behind the diesel debacle.

[GB-man]

My 911 drives so nice they could be starting forest fires in Stuttgart and I wouldn’t regret my purchase.

[beshannon]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

I've learned a lot from my years on TRF and one of those things is to never buy a German car.

It has been my observation that even the loyal, repeat buyers of the German brands don't have much good to say about their reliability.

For me, reliability is at the top of the checklist for both cars and those things that make loud, sharp sound-waves.

Every brand has issues.

For the record, I am now on my third Mercedes and they have all been flawless.

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by beshannon

Every brand has issues.

For the record, I am now on my third Mercedes and they have all been flawless.

Agreed. I've owned 15 German cars for the last 45 years. That would not be the case if there were recurring issues.

My last two, A4 & A5 have been absolutely problem free.
dP

[airchitect]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

I'm not going to argue with you, but that is what I've gathered over the last decade.

To be more specific, the word is mostly, don't keep one after the warranty expires.

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You are absolutely correct sir. Basically lease anything that isn’t Japanese, buy anything that is.

[Xenon]

The only "problem" with German cars is their price and maintenance costs.

A Porsche is just as reliable as a Honda through proper maintenance.

[330ci]

Besides a GM transmission in my 323ci losing reverse and the oil pump but falling off on my 330ci and Grenading the engine they’ve been great cars. I daily a mustang now with no issues.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

I'm not going to argue with you, but that is what I've gathered over the last decade.

To be more specific, the word is mostly, don't keep one after the warranty expires.

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You surely don’t want the bills once off warranty ... I totally agree

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by brandrea

You surely don’t want the bills once off warranty ... I totally agree

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