The Rolex Forums   The Rolex Watch

ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX

Old 13 July 2019, 01:40 AM   #1
Adamj79
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Oregon
Posts: 15
I need some guidance 1601

Hi all,

I was given my grandfathers Datejust and need some help on what to do. I would like to have it serviced and refinished. I do have a few questions about it.
The bracelet looks the be aftermarket but Iím not sure. There are no stamped 55 on the end links. It has been shortened as the total number of links is few short of the 22?
The case has 1601 with registered design below it. On the other side is there serial number which is 633029. My little research shows it being a year 1949?
The dial looks to me to be two piece. There is no word Swiss on it anywhere..seems odd as I see it on most older ones. It has been looked at at some point as the dial looks to be off a touch..line up wise.

I think it is a slow date set 2 times around for a day. It runs about 2 days if wound and left alone. It also starts the second hand as soon it gets moving or I put it on. Is this normal? I thought I would have to wind it first?
I will try to post some pictures as soon as they let me:-).

My end goal is to get a new period correct bracelet as this one may be in original and is stretched pretty bad and too small for me (7.5Ē) wrist.
Have it polished and maybe a new dial put in or the current one redone.
Any thoughts or guidance would be great!

Adam
Adamj79 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13 July 2019, 01:57 AM   #2
kwcsports
2019 Pledge Member
 
kwcsports's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Real Name: Kevin
Location: Canada
Watch: Datejust
Posts: 184
Post some pictures and you'll get lots of help
kwcsports is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13 July 2019, 02:10 AM   #3
RobW
"TRF" Member
 
RobW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Real Name: Rob
Location: Saudi Arabia
Posts: 70
Posting photos is the only way to get some help, but I believe the 1601 wasn't introduced until the late 1950s. So your watch can't be from 1949 if it is indeed a 1601. I also think you missed a digit on the serial number. Maybe the bracelet rubbed it off. But I'd guess it's from late 1979 or early 1980 if you correct on the first three numbers.

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
__________________
Rolex GMT Master II-c, Datejusts 16030, 16013, 16233
RobW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13 July 2019, 02:13 AM   #4
RobW
"TRF" Member
 
RobW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Real Name: Rob
Location: Saudi Arabia
Posts: 70
Datejusts are automatic. A full wind gives you about two days of power. And yes, picking it up will get it running for a bit until wound.

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
__________________
Rolex GMT Master II-c, Datejusts 16030, 16013, 16233
RobW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13 July 2019, 03:19 AM   #5
Adamj79
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Oregon
Posts: 15
Here are some pictures. It looks like I have all the numbers on the serial.
If itís a 1979 watch Iíd be excited as itís my birth year!
Adamj79 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13 July 2019, 03:21 AM   #6
Adamj79
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Oregon
Posts: 15
Some more pictures
Attached Images
File Type: jpeg E7EB5529-D2C0-4DCD-829D-5DE3E95CCDBA.jpeg (254.4 KB, 163 views)
File Type: jpeg 29C8E9E3-946C-4E27-AFD6-09420567D82D.jpeg (235.3 KB, 172 views)
File Type: jpeg 1D51899B-DC7D-4F98-9EF2-08DDF68ED1F5.jpeg (272.6 KB, 164 views)
Adamj79 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13 July 2019, 08:18 AM   #7
crowncollection
2019 Pledge Member
 
crowncollection's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Real Name: David
Location: australia
Posts: 19,418
Band is a USA band and correct
Doorstop Dial

Cleaning it up and you have a nice watch


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
watches many
crowncollection is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 13 July 2019, 08:25 AM   #8
Adamj79
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Oregon
Posts: 15
Looking at pictures and reading it almost seems like it is not a real Rolex? I’ll have to have the case opened.
Adamj79 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13 July 2019, 09:12 AM   #9
SeeDweller
2019 HARRODS BB Pledge Member
 
SeeDweller's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Real Name: Bob
Location: Davis, CA
Watch: 16753-Root Beer
Posts: 298
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adamj79 View Post
Looking at pictures and reading it almost seems like it is not a real Rolex? Iíll have to have the case opened.
I wouldn't be so sure.
The USA made bracelets had a wider variety of appearances.

But you're right . . . have someone crack the back and take a look - - you'll know much more, and feel better about it.
__________________
Bob
'67 5512 (Sub., Matte, meters 1st) ...| '78 1665 (SeaDweller, Great White)
'86 16753 (GMT, RootBeer) .|... '04 16710 (GMT-II, Pepsi)
'72 1655 (Explorer II, Freccione) |..... '10 16570 (Explorer II, Polar)
'01 116520 (Daytona, white dial) ....| '17 116710-BLNR (GMT-II, Batman)

.... and still can't quite scratch that itch, methinks.....
SeeDweller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13 July 2019, 09:13 AM   #10
SeeDweller
2019 HARRODS BB Pledge Member
 
SeeDweller's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Real Name: Bob
Location: Davis, CA
Watch: 16753-Root Beer
Posts: 298
Remember also . . . It's Grampa's watch . . . .

It's special, no matter what it is!!
__________________
Bob
'67 5512 (Sub., Matte, meters 1st) ...| '78 1665 (SeaDweller, Great White)
'86 16753 (GMT, RootBeer) .|... '04 16710 (GMT-II, Pepsi)
'72 1655 (Explorer II, Freccione) |..... '10 16570 (Explorer II, Polar)
'01 116520 (Daytona, white dial) ....| '17 116710-BLNR (GMT-II, Batman)

.... and still can't quite scratch that itch, methinks.....
SeeDweller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13 July 2019, 09:31 AM   #11
Adamj79
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Oregon
Posts: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeeDweller View Post
Remember also . . . It's Grampa's watch . . . .

It's special, no matter what it is!!
Yes you are correct!
Adamj79 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13 July 2019, 11:48 AM   #12
Richard Carver
2019 Pledge Member
 
Richard Carver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: US
Posts: 1,720
It's a correct early 1601. Incredible semi-coin edged bezel, best I've seen in years. The bezel combined with the nice alpha hands make for an astounding 'grandpa' watch. The oval link bracelet is probably a later replacement. There are about 3 links inside the clasp that extend the length about half an inch. It's not that hard to figure out.

Please don't change the dial. Get it serviced with a light polish and it'll be ready for your grandkids.
Richard Carver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13 July 2019, 11:52 AM   #13
Adamj79
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Oregon
Posts: 15
Well I have no idea on service history or if the dial is correct. I was able to do some adjusting of the bracelet and it fits! It is a touch tight it is 9 links and 11 links so I may try and find a couple links to buy.

After searching the past 1601 threads Iíll leaning towards RolliWorks to redo my bracelet. I might have them do all the work, dial, new plexiglass, polish and service the movement. Not sure on the dial as I have seen some really beautiful ones in the classifieds here. After looking at my second hand it is bent 3/4 the way out towards the tip. Are these the correct style of hands? I would like to have them replaced.

I looked at the date wheel and it has open 6ís. I like that look!!
Anyways, I wonít bore you guys with my rambling. Iím very excited to see what the movement is and if it is correct.

My favorite part is I called my mom to tell her that I was researching on the forums and going to be making it my daily wearer. She was silent on the other end as she fought back tears saying ďIím so glad you will be wearing Ďdadísí watch!Ē
Attached Images
File Type: jpeg A1BF1ECA-1538-488A-A68A-BF612B426180.jpeg (285.0 KB, 145 views)
File Type: jpeg 0BE777FD-9DD0-4019-AB42-CA655CDDEC0F.jpeg (250.6 KB, 145 views)
Adamj79 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13 July 2019, 11:56 AM   #14
Adamj79
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Oregon
Posts: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Carver View Post
It's a correct early 1601. Incredible semi-coin edged bezel, best I've seen in years. The bezel combined with the nice alpha hands make for an astounding 'grandpa' watch. The oval link bracelet is probably a later replacement. There are about 3 links inside the clasp that extend the length about half an inch. It's not that hard to figure out.

Please don't change the dial. Get it serviced with a light polish and it'll be ready for your grandkids.
I love the inner ring just the putter looks off to me. The dead center line and center of crown are off. With the crystal being pretty scratched I think it takes from the dial. Maybe a new crystal will change that.

Is it hard to add links to this style off bracelet?
Adamj79 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13 July 2019, 02:28 PM   #15
Richard Carver
2019 Pledge Member
 
Richard Carver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: US
Posts: 1,720
Why don't you sell that old soldier to someone who can appreciate it and use the proceeds to buy the watch you want?
Richard Carver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13 July 2019, 02:46 PM   #16
Dan S
2019 DEEPSEA Pledge Member
 
Dan S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Colorado, USA
Posts: 642
Ref 1601 DateJust from approximately 1961. Note that the serial numbers restarted at zero in 1954. I suspect that you will find a legit movement inside. The dial is as you inherited it, and this is how your grandfather wore the watch. I think it's your watch and your choice what you would like to do with the dial.
__________________
@oldwatchdan on IG
Dan S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13 July 2019, 03:07 PM   #17
Adamj79
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Oregon
Posts: 15
Can the dial be adjusted to be lined up with the crown and date window? I canít stand the very top center darkest line not being on the center of the crown.

I imagine if the stretch gets fixed then the bracelet would get tighter? Do you guys have any reputable places to buy extra links?
I wore it all this evening and it feels so light on the wrist!
Adamj79 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13 July 2019, 03:22 PM   #18
Dan S
2019 DEEPSEA Pledge Member
 
Dan S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Colorado, USA
Posts: 642
You are noticing that the outer minute track is misaligned with the applied markers and the Rolex coronet logo. That's how it was painted, and there's nothing you can do about it.

Links for various bracelets show up on eBay now and then. You just need to make sure you get the correct links. It's also possible to buy an aftermarket clasp extender.
__________________
@oldwatchdan on IG
Dan S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13 July 2019, 03:33 PM   #19
Adamj79
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Oregon
Posts: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan S View Post
You are noticing that the outer minute track is misaligned with the applied markers and the Rolex coronet logo. That's how it was painted, and there's nothing you can do about it.

Links for various bracelets show up on eBay now and then. You just need to make sure you get the correct links. It's also possible to buy an aftermarket clasp extender.
Well I feel much better about the dial! For some reason I was thing it was 2 piece and miss alined.

I used some toothpaste on the crystal and wow it did wonders! Iíll be calling rolliworks tomorrow to chat with them. Get insides serviced , light polish, fix stretch and add a couple links and Iíll be done with it! I will wear the same as grandpa did.
Adamj79 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14 July 2019, 03:55 AM   #20
TurboWatch
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: NorCal
Posts: 1,577
The dial is refinished/redone imho. Since this is an early Datejust, it should have the SWISS at the 6 o'clock. Your does not seem to have it from the pictures provided. A correct dial can be found on the Bay for couple of hundreds
TurboWatch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14 July 2019, 05:02 AM   #21
Dan S
2019 DEEPSEA Pledge Member
 
Dan S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Colorado, USA
Posts: 642
Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboWatch View Post
The dial is refinished/redone imho. Since this is an early Datejust, it should have the SWISS at the 6 o'clock. Your does not seem to have it from the pictures provided. A correct dial can be found on the Bay for couple of hundreds
I think the OP has already indicated he's going to wear it as his grandfather did.
__________________
@oldwatchdan on IG
Dan S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14 July 2019, 05:20 AM   #22
kwcsports
2019 Pledge Member
 
kwcsports's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Real Name: Kevin
Location: Canada
Watch: Datejust
Posts: 184
I like it as is. Wear the hell out of it.
kwcsports is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18 July 2019, 01:27 PM   #23
Adamj79
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Oregon
Posts: 15
What style of dial would be period correct for this watch? Itís headed off to RolliWorks next week for some tune ups! Iíll post pics when it returns.
Adamj79 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


*Banner Of The Month*
This space is provided to horological resources.





Copyright ©2004-2019, The Rolex Forums. All Rights Reserved.

ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX

Rolex is a registered trademark of ROLEX USA. The Rolex Forums is not affiliated with ROLEX USA in any way.