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Old 13 July 2019, 11:25 PM   #61
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Just because a movement is superior does not mean the watch as a package is better.


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eg 11:59 is superior craftsmanship in every details however as a finished timepiece not even mediocre.
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Old 14 July 2019, 01:08 AM   #62
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Just keep your Patek 5712. The moment to take over the VC you may have issues when you get tired of it and want to go back to your 5712.
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Old 14 July 2019, 03:23 AM   #63
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I was just being told that there are maybe 15 VC Overseas Tourbillon coming to the US this year. That’s a lot rarer than a 5712...
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Old 14 July 2019, 03:24 AM   #64
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I was just being told that there are maybe 15 VC Overseas Tourbillon coming to the US this year. That’s a lot rarer than a 5712...
And yet only 5 people want it

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Supply is irrelevant without the context of the demand level
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Old 14 July 2019, 04:57 AM   #65
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just because a movement is superior does not mean the watch as a package is better.
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Old 16 July 2019, 11:52 PM   #66
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Hell no. Not in a million years.


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Old 17 July 2019, 10:36 PM   #67
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I was offered a new 2019 Vacheron Constantin Overseas Tourbillon, which has a msrp of 100k.

I can get that watch by trading my 2019 5712/1A plus about 25k USD.

Yes or No?


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Old 17 July 2019, 10:37 PM   #68
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I was just being told that there are maybe 15 VC Overseas Tourbillon coming to the US this year. Thatís a lot rarer than a 5712...
Well yeah....much harder and more complicated watch to make....of course there are less!
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Old 18 July 2019, 04:55 AM   #69
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Itís a STUNNING watch in person... the depth of the blue dial is mesmerizing. I played with it for a while at a recent event.

If you can do a straight trade I would seriously consider it. Yes, youíll likely still take a hit on resale, but I tend to focus less on that and more on what will make me happier having on my wrist ó isnít that what itís all about? Youíd still end up with more in your pocket than the 5712 MSRP
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Old 18 July 2019, 05:21 AM   #70
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Itís a STUNNING watch in person... the depth of the blue dial is mesmerizing. I played with it for a while at a recent event.

If you can do a straight trade I would seriously consider it. Yes, youíll likely still take a hit on resale, but I tend to focus less on that and more on what will make me happier having on my wrist ó isnít that what itís all about? Youíd still end up with more in your pocket than the 5712 MSRP
Much fairer pic, otherwise its all just money talk, as ever.
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Old 18 July 2019, 07:02 AM   #71
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The VC is stunning. I would actually do the trade but with less cash


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Old 18 July 2019, 07:36 AM   #72
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Iím with skanse; if you can reduce the cash component and you will enjoy the VC more than the 5712....


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Old 18 July 2019, 07:59 AM   #73
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Leaving economics aside I wouldn't contemplate that trade. The issue is that I could wear a 5712 pretty much all the time no matter if I am in a suit or in swimming trunks. In contrast there are few occasions I wouldn't feel awkward wearing that VC Overseas Tourbillon. Too complicated and not restrained enough to fit my style.
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Old 18 July 2019, 10:46 AM   #74
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Yes, this is a no brainer.

The 5712 is a nice watch backed by an exhorbitant amount of hype. It is a true $45k watch at its core, regardless of the inflated gray market prices. The VC tourbillon is a true piece of horological excellence and is a true $100k watch, not a $45k watch inflated to near $100k because of demand.

This is a rare opportunity to use the grossly inflated value of the 5712 to your advantage to actually obtain a significantly rare piece of haute horology.
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Old 18 July 2019, 12:55 PM   #75
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It really sounds like like OP wants to go for the tourb. Try to do the deal as a straight trade.
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Old 18 July 2019, 01:15 PM   #76
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Old 19 July 2019, 02:32 AM   #77
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I was just being told that there are maybe 15 VC Overseas Tourbillon coming to the US this year. Thatís a lot rarer than a 5712...
A quick online search and you can find the same watch sold for 80k. The watch may be rare, but people are not fighting to purchase one. I would stay away from this deal or negotiate a better one.
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Old 19 July 2019, 08:46 PM   #78
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I would not entertain this deal
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Old 20 July 2019, 04:30 PM   #79
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Itís a STUNNING watch in person... the depth of the blue dial is mesmerizing. I played with it for a while at a recent event.

If you can do a straight trade I would seriously consider it. Yes, youíll likely still take a hit on resale, but I tend to focus less on that and more on what will make me happier having on my wrist ó isnít that what itís all about? Youíd still end up with more in your pocket than the 5712 MSRP

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Old 20 July 2019, 04:36 PM   #80
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I personally wouldn’t given the massive hype around the 5712. Will the hype come down? Most likely yes. But at least the demand will still be there.

The VC altogether sits, wears and feels completely different from PP, and unless you are going for a bolder look and feel of the watch, you may miss the sleek and low profile feel of the nautilus.

VC May have more appeal initially but not sure it will have the same staying power if you get bored down the road and try to trade value for value.
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Old 20 July 2019, 04:50 PM   #81
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Itís a STUNNING watch in person... the depth of the blue dial is mesmerizing. I played with it for a while at a recent event.

If you can do a straight trade I would seriously consider it. Yes, youíll likely still take a hit on resale, but I tend to focus less on that and more on what will make me happier having on my wrist ó isnít that what itís all about? Youíd still end up with more in your pocket than the 5712 MSRP


The dial colour reminds me a low end seiko and the tourbillon looks very off to me in this particular setup,
If you are in love go for it but pls do not think you hit the jackpot.
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Old 20 July 2019, 05:28 PM   #82
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I love that VC. For the 5711, I’d offer a straight trade. For the 5712, I wouldn’t do it. It’s my grail. But if you want to do it. Do it for a straight trade.
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Old 20 July 2019, 10:14 PM   #83
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Hell no.

You are board if a fantastic time piece. Wear something else and go back to it in 6 months.
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Old 20 July 2019, 10:17 PM   #84
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I’d sell only to help fund 5370p
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Old 20 July 2019, 11:34 PM   #85
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The VC will be worth 50K after you buy it. Maybe less. The VC should be offered at an even trade to you but you will still end up losing 25K on this deal.
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Old 20 July 2019, 11:55 PM   #86
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As much as the new pics made my heart flutter. This quote describes the valuation aspect of the equation.
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