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Old 24 January 2021, 02:42 AM   #61
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At least the Titanium 5711 will not rust, massive improvement IMO.
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Old 24 January 2021, 02:48 AM   #62
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At least the Titanium 5711 will not rust, massive improvement IMO.
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Old 24 January 2021, 02:53 AM   #63
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If true this is an absolute miss for me.

Titanium?!
I cannot stand titanium as it is just far too light and gives a watch a feeling I personally do not enjoy.
No date is a disappointment as well.

I truly hope this rumour is wrong
Tend to agree with you about titanium. An exception was a grand seiko Zaratsu polished titanium piece I owned. It has an amazing finish far more similar to stainless or platinum than ti.

The weight is another consideration but not a deal breaker.

The increased size is a challenge for me as I thought the previous had it correct.
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Old 24 January 2021, 03:22 AM   #64
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At least the Titanium 5711 will not rust, massive improvement IMO.
Speaking about it... Did the rust issue on your 5711/1A get resolved in the end and what have they done about it? Thanks.
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Old 24 January 2021, 03:50 AM   #65
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Genius move. Two new metals = new pricing (excuse to get out of the ~$28K range for a watch that is selling for $80K). Clean dials for a time when the date function is quite useless.
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Old 24 January 2021, 03:51 AM   #66
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Beat me to it ... why titanium?
it works on a tool watch like the pelagos or even a sea dweller. but i dont think it works on a non-diver sport watch. just my 2 cents.
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Old 24 January 2021, 04:06 AM   #67
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The titanium Octo has a great feel to it but for everyday wear I’m not too sure, I have the Pelagos and pretty much destroyed it in two years, every part is marked and dented, as a dress watch it only takes one hard dent and you would be devastated, I hope it’s steel.
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Old 24 January 2021, 04:43 AM   #68
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Movement downgrade from the new Cal. 26‑330 SC back to the non-hack 324 S seems unlikely.
That seems logical and intuitive, and typically I'd guess that's correct. Except... The lack of a date. While I prefer hacking+date over any other combo, for a non-hacking piece I think dateless is probably preferable in terms of convenience, especially if it isn't a daily wearer.

As far as the logic behind the whole switch, I do have one guess: power reserve. The 324 lists minimum of 45 hours, the 330 only 35. As PR grow across the board (I think Rolex is now up to 70!!) there's a need to compete there, too.

So, when all was said and done, the 324 w/o date makes sense, I think.
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Old 24 January 2021, 06:02 AM   #69
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It is believed that these photos was strongly synthesized from the existing 5711 image.

As a proof of that, what is reflected on the glass at the 3 o'clock index is not the index, but the date window.

haha...
Yup! Zoom in, and compare the image to what's on Patek's site: you can even see the reflection of the "8" along the inner rim of the bezel (the date is on "18" on the Patek site).

Now, I still maintain that if there is to be a new Nautilus and no new movement, the 324/no-date combo makes some sense, for the reasons articulated above. However, I'm less convinced that this rumor is grounded in reality.
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Old 24 January 2021, 06:16 AM   #70
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I'd be very interested in a platinum cased nautilus. We will see what happens.
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Old 24 January 2021, 06:33 AM   #71
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Yawn.

(PS. Watches made of titanium have a total absence of tactility. I hate them. No heft too. They feel cheap. Awful).
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Old 24 January 2021, 06:42 AM   #72
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Yawn.

(PS. Watches made of titanium have a total absence of tactility. I hate them. No heft too. They feel cheap. Awful).
Only thing worse? TTTI. This is the absolute worst rendition of one of my absolute favorite watches (reminds me of a Citizen or low-end Seiko)
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Old 24 January 2021, 07:40 AM   #73
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Patek needs to get with the times, and have a regular production Platinum piece in their Naut collection. (That said, so does AP.)

Rolex does, across more than one line (not just the Platona). And it's absolutely fabulous.
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Old 24 January 2021, 07:51 AM   #74
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i guess we all just have to wait and see and perhaps the newer version should have a major improvement for sure.
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Old 24 January 2021, 08:38 AM   #75
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it works on a tool watch like the pelagos or even a sea dweller. but i dont think it works on a non-diver sport watch. just my 2 cents.
Yes, not so much IMO either.

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Old 24 January 2021, 09:03 AM   #76
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I'd give $30K for the blue one

It's just a watch after all
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Old 24 January 2021, 01:32 PM   #77
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If true this is an absolute miss for me.

Titanium?!
I cannot stand titanium as it is just far too light and gives a watch a feeling I personally do not enjoy.
No date is a disappointment as well.

I truly hope this rumour is wrong
100% agree with this statement.
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Old 24 January 2021, 01:43 PM   #78
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I'm not a fan. Don't like the size increase and feel this watch is best served with a date function.
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Old 24 January 2021, 02:13 PM   #79
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I'm not a fan. Don't like the size increase and feel this watch is best served with a date function.
Thank you! I was totally disappointed when I saw this rendering.

I am hoping that it is 100% fake
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Old 24 January 2021, 02:45 PM   #80
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Seriously, a 1mm size increase and all of sudden it's too big? 1mm? Titanium for this watch makes no sense.... getting rid of the date to make it less complicated and for more money is not a win...
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Old 24 January 2021, 06:28 PM   #81
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No date?
Please be patient, as Patek has been busy with their brilliant new concept of crafting new date windows wheels. Soon PP will match all date background wheels to the main dial like many other manufacturers have offered for many decades. Patek simply has not fully tooled up their new equipment yet to make this a reality. Seiko, Paneri, and others have decades of experience here, so be kind as this matching of date wheel to the main dial, even on entry-level pieces, is something very new and innovative for PP (on their entry-level pieces). It'll happen, just please be patient as the wait will be worth it.
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Old 24 January 2021, 07:43 PM   #82
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Please be patient, as Patek has been busy with their brilliant new concept of crafting new date windows wheels. Soon PP will match all date background wheels to the main dial like many other manufacturers have offered for many decades. Patek simply has not fully tooled up their new equipment yet to make this a reality. Seiko, Paneri, and others have decades of experience here, so be kind as this matching of date wheel to the main dial, even on entry-level pieces, is something very new and innovative for PP (on their entry-level pieces). It'll happen, just please be patient as the wait will be worth it.
Actually, they do it superbly, as long as the dial of the watch is white. And I don't mean off white or cream or cafe au lait.
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Old 24 January 2021, 08:54 PM   #83
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Actually, they do it superbly, as long as the dial of the watch is white. And I don't mean off white or cream or cafe au lait.
Your post almost makes PP sound a bit, dare we say this, Racis... (eh hem) white preferred. Yes, when it comes to date/month/etc inner dials on entry-level Pateks it appears they are indeed very much 'color'-preferred for whites with no regard to dial color or design. Good point Cascavel and many thanks for pointing this out.

Of course, and let's be fair here, PP makes sub-dials with black background so they do offer it on a few products they sell.
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Old 24 January 2021, 09:17 PM   #84
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Titanium?!
I cannot stand titanium as it is just far too light and gives a watch a feeling I personally do not enjoy.
I agree. The 5711 and 5712 are already very light for bracelet watches (even more so for sports watches). Making an even lighter 6711 in titanium would make the watch feel "cheap" and "flimsy". I don't buy it, I think this rumour is "fake news".
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Old 24 January 2021, 09:58 PM   #85
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Thinking about titanium the 15202IP comes to mind. In my eyes the mostly brushed titanium works well on the Royal Oak. I'd still be surprised if Patek launched a regular production 5711/1T or similar but hey, why not. I might be interested if it had a black rather than blue dial, 40mm size, and a date.
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Old 24 January 2021, 10:26 PM   #86
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What could possibly be the purpose of cancelling the 5711/1a simply to come out with this other than to establish a new MSRP price point of $45K for the Ti and $110 for the Pt. The platinum is an especially good gambit since it saves Patek $1000/oz and they can charge more than for the same watch in gold.
Don't forget that platinum has a higher density (i.e. more weight in the same volume) and that it's 95% pure, vs. 75% for gold. Also, much more difficult to work with.
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Old 24 January 2021, 11:37 PM   #87
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Speaking about it... Did the rust issue on your 5711/1A get resolved in the end and what have they done about it? Thanks.
It finally got sorted a few months ago. You truly do get what you pay for when you buy a Patek Philippe. My AD, Patek UK and Geneva bent over backwards and I can’t thank them all enough.
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Old 25 January 2021, 12:25 AM   #88
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Titanium? Omega style now
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Old 25 January 2021, 01:01 AM   #89
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Old 25 January 2021, 02:04 AM   #90
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Tend to agree with you about titanium. An exception was a grand seiko Zaratsu polished titanium piece I owned. It has an amazing finish far more similar to stainless or platinum than ti.

The weight is another consideration but not a deal breaker.

The increased size is a challenge for me as I thought the previous had it correct.
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I agree. The 5711 and 5712 are already very light for bracelet watches (even more so for sports watches). Making an even lighter 6711 in titanium would make the watch feel "cheap" and "flimsy". I don't buy it, I think this rumour is "fake news".

Glad to hear I am not the only one!

Subtona, you are spot on there actually! I have seen a Grand Seiko finishing in person and although the weight was not to my liking the detail in the finishing was *chefs kiss*
The size increase is also unnecessary. Even the 5168 increase is a slight annoyance.


Agreed MCMartiny, the old/current were not hefty pieces to begin with. Shedding further weight adds to the “cheap” feel of it.
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