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rick davis · 13 March 2008, 04:51 AM

Hello-A while back-I acquired a 1966 5512 sub from the original owner... I am a novice watch guy and didnt know what I had; -till I started doing some research and seems it is quite rare; a 4 line gloss gilt dial chronometer...I have done nothing to it-except replace with correct new crystal..It runs excellent-but I dont know service history......Question; Am i possibly harming the movement by occasionally running the watch without service? Where would a good place to service the watch be? Also-the dial appears original and looks good to naked eye-definitely not real bad-lettering is ok-but under a loupe the entire dial shows surface crazing/cracking.....Does the crazed dial diminish the collector value? The hands are ok-but do show some corrosion...Any advice? thanks!..

Tools · 14 March 2008, 02:19 AM

Welcome to TRF Rick,

You do have a rare piece. The crazed dial is valuable and any changes will dramatically affect the value..

This one needs professional care....

You have a Rolex Service Center in Dallas....Call them and ask for references of watchmakers who will oil your watch.. Do not send it to them..

Another Source if you want it properly restored is Bob Ridley..Contact him here:

http://www.watchmakers.com/

juneja · 14 March 2008, 05:44 AM

And make sure they don't replace the dial, as is their want, if they'll even service it (they don't always support vintage pieces)

You're right to check up here and on other vintage forums before you send it out. Try http://www.vintagerolexforum.com/ too. Some pictures would be good.

:)

frostie · 14 March 2008, 05:45 AM

Welcome to TRF enjoy your stay here and have a great time

SPACE-DWELLER · 14 March 2008, 07:13 AM

Welcome to TRF!

Great find! Congrats!

Another suggestion for an (independant) RSC would be the RSC San Francisco. They would probably be happy to fix it and leave the dial and hands alone at your request.

Please post some pics of your 5513!

johnnybravo1210 · 14 March 2008, 07:19 AM

Welcome to TRF. Sounds like a great timepiece you have there.

mike · 14 March 2008, 08:12 AM

Hi Rick,

Welcome and congrats on a rare bird indeed. Condition is always uppermost on any vintage piece, but if original and decent you're in 5 figures. A watch like that needs the proper service and UNDERSTANDING of what it is by the watchmaker doing the work.

I would follow Larry's suggestion and contact Bob Ridley. He's done some great work for collectors and understands what these pieces are all about.

rick davis · 14 March 2008, 08:18 AM

Thanks for the excellent advice and information...Here is a pic-Hope it loads ok...

rick davis · 14 March 2008, 08:31 AM

rick davis · 14 March 2008, 08:31 AM

juneja · 14 March 2008, 12:03 PM

You can upload pix here: http://www.imageshack.us/
And you can also preview on this forum, before you actually post your, er, post.

etp095 · 14 March 2008, 12:11 PM

welcome to the forum and you scored a nice watch.

tandrup · 14 March 2008, 12:31 PM

Welcome to TRF. Enjoy your stay here.

snapster · 26 June 2008, 01:01 PM

Hi guys.

I need help identifying this unusual crazed dial phenomena. Here is a picture of my GMT. Ever since I got it years ago, I noticed that it had some cracking. Is that what everyone is talking about? Please pardon the condition of the watch, I need to get it serviced and if it's actually a collectors item, I'll retire it and pick up another.

Sorry about the size of the image, I wanted to make sure I got the cracks visible in the image.

etp095 · 26 June 2008, 03:39 PM

hi snapster
nice GMT you have there,one thing that looks out of place is the white gold surrounds.that vintage watch shouldn't have them,if I'm not mistaken.I'm sure other members will chime in soon.

pwrslider · 26 June 2008, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by etp095

hi snapster
nice GMT you have there,one thing that looks out of place is the white gold surrounds.that vintage watch shouldn't have them,if I'm not mistaken.I'm sure other members will chime in soon.

Welcome...and I agree with the gold surrounds....has the dial been replaced...?

juneja · 26 June 2008, 07:39 PM

Looks to me, from that pic at least, that the 'crazing' is on the crystal, not the dial. Looks like a polish would fix that.

snapster · 27 June 2008, 01:17 AM

etp095, good eye! i don't believe the dial has been replaced. it certainly hasn't since i received the watch as a gift 8 years ago from my father. he picked it up on the pre-owned market so i don't know the history however if this cracked dial is actually a replacement, i'd be really surprised. i have the boxes/paperwork at the house so I can get a serial number later.

pwrslider - thanks for the warm reception man. i don't think the dial has been replaced but i could be wrong. i'll get a serial number later today so i can cross reference it on the GMT FAQ.

juneja, good point buddy. i couldn't find any polish around the house so i just used some toothpaste. kinda silly but it works. here's what it looks like now.

13 March 2008, 04:51 AM	#1
rick davis "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: texas Posts: 4	4 line gilt 5512 submariner Hello-A while back-I acquired a 1966 5512 sub from the original owner... I am a novice watch guy and didnt know what I had; -till I started doing some research and seems it is quite rare; a 4 line gloss gilt dial chronometer...I have done nothing to it-except replace with correct new crystal..It runs excellent-but I dont know service history......Question; Am i possibly harming the movement by occasionally running the watch without service? Where would a good place to service the watch be? Also-the dial appears original and looks good to naked eye-definitely not real bad-lettering is ok-but under a loupe the entire dial shows surface crazing/cracking.....Does the crazed dial diminish the collector value? The hands are ok-but do show some corrosion...Any advice? thanks!..

14 March 2008, 02:19 AM	#2
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,068	Welcome to TRF Rick, You do have a rare piece. The crazed dial is valuable and any changes will dramatically affect the value.. This one needs professional care.... You have a Rolex Service Center in Dallas....Call them and ask for references of watchmakers who will oil your watch.. Do not send it to them.. Another Source if you want it properly restored is Bob Ridley..Contact him here: http://www.watchmakers.com/ __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

14 March 2008, 05:45 AM	#4
frostie 1,000,000th PostMember Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 14,048	Welcome to TRF enjoy your stay here and have a great time __________________ GMT - Master II C - 116710 LN

14 March 2008, 07:13 AM	#5
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Welcome to TRF! Great find! Congrats! Another suggestion for an (independant) RSC would be the RSC San Francisco. They would probably be happy to fix it and leave the dial and hands alone at your request. Please post some pics of your 5513! __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

14 March 2008, 12:11 PM	#12
etp095 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: rudolph Location: chicago burbs Posts: 2,026	welcome to the forum and you scored a nice watch. __________________ tt date circa 69' 5513 circa 81' ss sub w/date (z) pepsi gmt for dad(D) polar expy II(z) 1675 gmt circa 68' ladies datejust on jubilee for mom (z) sea dweller16600(M) SS Sub-C(g) Omega Planet Ocean,45.5 on mesh(2500D)

14 March 2008, 05:44 AM	#3
juneja "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: juneja Location: London UK Watch: 6542 Posts: 217	And make sure they don't replace the dial, as is their want, if they'll even service it (they don't always support vintage pieces) You're right to check up here and on other vintage forums before you send it out. Try http://www.vintagerolexforum.com/ too. Some pictures would be good. :)

14 March 2008, 07:19 AM	#6
johnnybravo1210 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: usa Posts: 140	Welcome to TRF. Sounds like a great timepiece you have there.

14 March 2008, 08:12 AM	#7
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	Hi Rick, Welcome and congrats on a rare bird indeed. Condition is always uppermost on any vintage piece, but if original and decent you're in 5 figures. A watch like that needs the proper service and UNDERSTANDING of what it is by the watchmaker doing the work. I would follow Larry's suggestion and contact Bob Ridley. He's done some great work for collectors and understands what these pieces are all about.

14 March 2008, 08:18 AM	#8
rick davis "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: texas Posts: 4	Thanks for the excellent advice and information...Here is a pic-Hope it loads ok...

14 March 2008, 08:31 AM	#9
rick davis "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: texas Posts: 4

14 March 2008, 12:03 PM	#11
juneja "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: juneja Location: London UK Watch: 6542 Posts: 217	You can upload pix here: http://www.imageshack.us/ And you can also preview on this forum, before you actually post your, er, post.

14 March 2008, 12:31 PM	#13
tandrup "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: USA Watch: 14060M Posts: 921	Welcome to TRF. Enjoy your stay here. __________________ Regards, Lars 14060M, 16570 White, 116200 Tuxedo Dial Georg Jensen 2347

26 June 2008, 01:01 PM	#14
snapster "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: hong kong Posts: 62	Hi guys. I need help identifying this unusual crazed dial phenomena. Here is a picture of my GMT. Ever since I got it years ago, I noticed that it had some cracking. Is that what everyone is talking about? Please pardon the condition of the watch, I need to get it serviced and if it's actually a collectors item, I'll retire it and pick up another. Sorry about the size of the image, I wanted to make sure I got the cracks visible in the image.

26 June 2008, 03:39 PM	#15
etp095 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: rudolph Location: chicago burbs Posts: 2,026	hi snapster nice GMT you have there,one thing that looks out of place is the white gold surrounds.that vintage watch shouldn't have them,if I'm not mistaken.I'm sure other members will chime in soon. __________________ tt date circa 69' 5513 circa 81' ss sub w/date (z) pepsi gmt for dad(D) polar expy II(z) 1675 gmt circa 68' ladies datejust on jubilee for mom (z) sea dweller16600(M) SS Sub-C(g) Omega Planet Ocean,45.5 on mesh(2500D)

26 June 2008, 07:39 PM	#17
juneja "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: juneja Location: London UK Watch: 6542 Posts: 217	Looks to me, from that pic at least, that the 'crazing' is on the crystal, not the dial. Looks like a polish would fix that.

27 June 2008, 01:17 AM	#18
snapster "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: hong kong Posts: 62	etp095, good eye! i don't believe the dial has been replaced. it certainly hasn't since i received the watch as a gift 8 years ago from my father. he picked it up on the pre-owned market so i don't know the history however if this cracked dial is actually a replacement, i'd be really surprised. i have the boxes/paperwork at the house so I can get a serial number later. pwrslider - thanks for the warm reception man. i don't think the dial has been replaced but i could be wrong. i'll get a serial number later today so i can cross reference it on the GMT FAQ. juneja, good point buddy. i couldn't find any polish around the house so i just used some toothpaste. kinda silly but it works. here's what it looks like now.

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