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BigHamp · 14 December 2008, 09:26 AM

Hello, VERY NEWBE question. I am searching for a Sub or GMT II pre owned for local transaction. I found a non date sub on ebay. It is a 2006 model but has holes in the case. Is this correct? Sorry for such a rookie question but I have searched and can not find a definitive answer. I contacted the seller who said it may be a 2005 model but has a "Z" serial so he thought it was a 2006. Any suggestions. I can not figure out how to copy the link correctly so you'll have to copy past this to your browser to look. Thank for your assistance!

Aaron Hampton

http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLEX-SUBMARINER...3A1%7C294%3A50

Rockrolex · 14 December 2008, 11:12 AM

Welcome to TRF.

Stay away from this one. I don't believe the Z series has holes in the lugs. No right minded high end watch seller would show the complete serial number of a watch he was selling. Check the seller's prior sales. 90% have all been rinky dink junk. He has not sold any high end watches.

The rule is Buy the seller - not the watch.

springer · 14 December 2008, 02:28 PM

The holes in the lugs are correct, the band appears genuine and most everything else I observed appear genuine from the pics. There is one photo where I didn't like the look of the coronet on the dial, but in the others it appeared OK.

The seller has been around the bay for sometime, judging from his feedback. I'd check out his feedback a little more and get his phone number and call him and see what the story is on the watch.

Orchi · 15 December 2008, 03:26 AM

Err buddies...for some reasons...Ref 14060M does not appeal to Orchi...

This particular Ref...can cause some confusion...

1. 14060M launched in 2001 by Rolex...until later Z Series(in this case Z 7.4 million series)
has NO COSC Cal. n NO COSC signature on Dial...n NO engraving on chapter ring...

2. 14060M from end Z Series until M Series has COSC Cal. n COSC signature on Dia...
n engraving on chapter ring...

Both has Luminova markers n Hands...Both has holes on lugs...n BOTH has NO SEL(Solid End Links)...

BUT Orchi likes...the previous 14060(NO M) that has 3030 Non-COSC
Cal. movement...n Tritium Dial("SWISS-T<25")...!

BTW...Orchi has seen that type of Coronet on the Dial of that listed 14060M...

Z-Sub · 15 December 2008, 04:50 AM

TimeToGo · 15 December 2008, 06:03 AM

Agree with Springer!

I also owned a Z-no date and it had the holes. I was informed this model (no date) carried the last cases w/holes until they ran out. Seller looks solid also.

WELCOME TO THE FORUM!!!

onkyo · 15 December 2008, 08:52 AM

I have the same watch and the watch listed looks exactly the same. I don't see any issues with it.

Good everyday wearer - as good as my everyday white Exp II (courtesy of Springer).

toph · 15 December 2008, 09:02 AM

look fine to me.

14 December 2008, 09:26 AM	#1
BigHamp "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Aaron H Location: Georgia Watch: Too few Posts: 10	Is this correct? Hello, VERY NEWBE question. I am searching for a Sub or GMT II pre owned for local transaction. I found a non date sub on ebay. It is a 2006 model but has holes in the case. Is this correct? Sorry for such a rookie question but I have searched and can not find a definitive answer. I contacted the seller who said it may be a 2005 model but has a "Z" serial so he thought it was a 2006. Any suggestions. I can not figure out how to copy the link correctly so you'll have to copy past this to your browser to look. Thank for your assistance! Aaron Hampton http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLEX-SUBMARINER...3A1%7C294%3A50

14 December 2008, 11:12 AM	#2
Rockrolex TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: God Location: Washington, D.C. Watch: What do you think? Posts: 37,517	Welcome to TRF. Stay away from this one. I don't believe the Z series has holes in the lugs. No right minded high end watch seller would show the complete serial number of a watch he was selling. Check the seller's prior sales. 90% have all been rinky dink junk. He has not sold any high end watches. The rule is Buy the seller - not the watch. __________________ Despite the high cost of living, it's still very popular. *Tosser Cabinet Member* Official Member: 'Perpetual 30' Vegas International GTG 2016 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2018 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2019

14 December 2008, 02:28 PM	#3
springer 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,210	The holes in the lugs are correct, the band appears genuine and most everything else I observed appear genuine from the pics. There is one photo where I didn't like the look of the coronet on the dial, but in the others it appeared OK. The seller has been around the bay for sometime, judging from his feedback. I'd check out his feedback a little more and get his phone number and call him and see what the story is on the watch. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

15 December 2008, 04:50 AM	#5
Z-Sub 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: So Cal, USA Watch: Not a ONEWatch Man Posts: 7,383	__________________ SS Submariner Date "Z" SS SeaDweller "D" SS Submariner "Random" TT Blue Submariner "P" SS GMT-Master ll "M", Pepsi Pam 311, 524, 297

15 December 2008, 09:02 AM	#8
toph "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: ChrisTOPHer Location: Sydney Watch: Rolex, Brellum, Posts: 12,601	look fine to me. __________________ "Where no counsel is the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety." Member No.# 11795

15 December 2008, 03:26 AM	#4
Orchi Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Malaysia Posts: 2,934	Err buddies...for some reasons...Ref 14060M does not appeal to Orchi... This particular Ref...can cause some confusion... 1. 14060M launched in 2001 by Rolex...until later Z Series(in this case Z 7.4 million series) has NO COSC Cal. n NO COSC signature on Dial...n NO engraving on chapter ring... 2. 14060M from end Z Series until M Series has COSC Cal. n COSC signature on Dia... n engraving on chapter ring... Both has Luminova markers n Hands...Both has holes on lugs...n BOTH has NO SEL(Solid End Links)... BUT Orchi likes...the previous 14060(NO M) that has 3030 Non-COSC Cal. movement...n Tritium Dial("SWISS-T<25")...! BTW...Orchi has seen that type of Coronet on the Dial of that listed 14060M...

15 December 2008, 06:03 AM	#6
TimeToGo 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,599	Agree with Springer! I also owned a Z-no date and it had the holes. I was informed this model (no date) carried the last cases w/holes until they ran out. Seller looks solid also. WELCOME TO THE FORUM!!!

15 December 2008, 08:52 AM	#7
onkyo Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Pav Location: Manhattan Posts: 11,495	I have the same watch and the watch listed looks exactly the same. I don't see any issues with it. Good everyday wearer - as good as my everyday white Exp II (courtesy of Springer).

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