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22 September 2018, 03:25 AM | #1 |
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Exact year for DRSD?
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I'm in the process of having a DRSD shipped from overseas and just wanted to get a sense of the exact year of the watch. I've seen a couple of different lists that give very different years. The serial number starts with 420XXXX. On one chart, it looks like it's a 1974 and on another, it's a 1977. Any way to know exactly what year it was produced? The paperwork has it being sold in 1979, which wouldn't be out of the question since it is a specialized watch being a Sea Dweller, so it could have sat in the case for a couple of years. TY! |
22 September 2018, 06:46 AM | #2 | |
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However .... who cares!? The important thing is you're getting a DRSD! Lucky guy. I'm jealous. Big congrats! How about some photos? Man, I miss mine! |
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22 September 2018, 08:22 AM | #3 |
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Thanks!
Here are a couple of pics from the seller. It looks completely unpolished and all original. It has such a great patina to the dial as well. |
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I'm afraid it isn't - compare the insert and crystal to the one in the photo above. It's a service insert and crystal. Not the end of the world and fixable in theory but not what most people would call original. Ian |
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23 September 2018, 10:32 AM | #5 | |
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An "original" insert and crystal aren't that hard to source. A polished case can't be unpolished. That's what I'm most stocked about. I'll find out for sure Monday morning when it arrives. |
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23 September 2018, 01:54 PM | #6 |
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That watch you posted is not unpolished.
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24 September 2018, 03:14 AM | #7 |
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Would someone that's more of an expert than me please take a look at the dial on this watch? I'm having a hard time figuring if it's a Mark III or Mark IV.
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24 September 2018, 07:09 AM | #8 |
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It's a IV
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24 September 2018, 07:15 AM | #9 |
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Yep.
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24 September 2018, 04:21 PM | #10 |
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In my opinion, based only on the few photos provided, that dial is a Mk. Fake. And the hands too.
(cf., for comparison) https://hodinkee.imgix.net/uploads/i...format&usm=12& Michael |
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I put this up because I thought the fonts were off. I wanted to see if anyone else would see this without me leading anyone down that path. The fonts all look off to me. Are there any variances of the dials? I'm receiving it today and I purchased it through eBay, where it's guaranteed to be what the seller states it is. If not, it's completely covered under their sale policy. I would need to get this verified rather quickly. My local AD isn't the best at vintage Rolex's. |
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Some of the number charts are simply wrong. Certainly not 1974. 1977 makes sense.
It's not a Mark I, as the SEA-DWELLER text is too wide and in a larger typeface than the red text below it. It's not a Mark II, as the coronet is a different shape and the 6 is closed. It's not a Mark III, as the L of ROLEX sits under the middle of the coronet and the depth rating is simply too big. As for a Mark IV, which might be correct for the number range....that triangle at 12 looks too squat and too wide at its top edge, while I don't like some of the text alignment or the shape of the coronet. Haywood
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At a minimum that case is definitely polished. Just compare it to the lugs on my (former) DRSD that I posted. I'm not saying that alone is necessary a problem, as long as the seller didn't state otherwise. As for the other points ... I'd take a close look at the different DRSD dials listed on this site, if you haven't already: http://www.drsd.com |
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25 September 2018, 12:40 AM | #14 | |
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Rol...rdt=true&rt=nc No, it doesn't state that it's not been polished. My untrained eye thought that it might have been unpolished, but it wasn't a deal breaker for me. A deal breaker would be a fake dial, which this one is not looking good ATM. Anyone have any recommendations for someone I can take this watch to and have verified? My local AD doesn't know much at all about vintage watches. I'm located about 1 hour outside of Philly. About 2 hours from NYC. It'd be worth it for me to travel there to verify. I've already let the seller know that there might be an issue with the dial. This was before I received the watch via FedEx. It's sitting on my desk now as I just got it about 10 minutes ago. I'm going to video me opening the package shortly. I paid through CC on eBay so I'm fully covered via their guarantee. It's the only reason I did the purchase. I ran into an issue with a completely fake Tudor a while back. The seller initially stated that there were "no returns", but they took the watch back and gave me a full refund no problem. |
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Update: The seller responded immediately to my concerns. He stated that he had the watch authenticated by three different experts in Germany and Switzerland.
Of course, I requested their names. He also said that if I'm not completely satisfied, I can send the watch back for a full refund. |
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Now, other things are creeping up as well. More than likely, there was an issue with the original dial and someone faked this one. While it's decent, it isn't close to being authentic. The seller responded again, VERY quickly with one of the appraisers in Germany, but I'm not convinced. There are too many red flags. I've opted to send the watch back for a full refund. The seller is very stand up and very responsive. So far, so good. We'll see how this goes. |
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Not that it needs any more nails in this coffin but as somebody said the hands are wrong too. The second hand is obviously all wrong. The short end of the second hand is way too short - the end blob should pass above the centre of the Mercedes shape of the hour hand (same as on subs). Other dimensions are off too.
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The more I looked at the dial, the more I could find wrong with it. The watch is already on its way back. So far, the seller has been stellar in his responses and offered a full refund immediately (even before I received the watch). I asked if he had any way of getting his money back from the shop he bought it from (said he bought it in Heidelberg). He said he's probably going to take the watch back himself or take it directly to Geneva. So, anyone out there that is selling a DRSD, I'm in the market again I would prefer fully documented, but that would have to be a Mk IV. I'd be interested in a Mk III as a watch only. |
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Vintage Rolex is not a world in which one should be seeking a bargain buy...... "ianmcg" has provided you with some excellent advice....find a top-rated dealer and pay through the nose for a quality example. It will save you a lot of heartache. Good luck with your search.
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The problem is, finding one from a trusted seller. They seem to be hard to come bye. |
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Sorry, glad you’re getting your money back though. Some smart folks in this thread.
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26 September 2018, 11:19 PM | #26 |
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Everyone, check this listing out:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/232928037192?ul_noapp=true The dial looks to have the EXACT same issues as the one I purchased on eBay. I actually contacted them to let them know the issues. They've been responsive and receptive to my comments. Of course they said that they had an "expert" look at the watch and verified it. I suggested that they go to another expert because there are glaring issues with the entire dial. Wow, how we get an education quickly! Thoughts? |
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4 October 2018, 09:52 AM | #28 |
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Refund has been sent. Will be posted in the next 48 hours.
Ebay took care of this. The seller said he had an issue with Paypal and asked that I escalate it through eBay. Done. |
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glad it all worked out - could have been nasty - mk.redial or mk.fake was obvious to a few trained eyes here - the three 'experts' are on the payroll obviously
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