Aren't you glad Patek didn't...

[Bearxj86]

Aren't you glad Patek didn't go off brand and release like 13 Pilot calatrava watches?

AP just did that...and Gerald Genta must be tossing in his grave...

Boutiques are going to try to ram it down your throat to buy a royal oak.

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/co...et-introducing

To be honest, the case flanks are nice.

[Ichiran]

I don't think the new AP Code 11.59 resembles any model in Patek, but it does looks like the JLC Polaris and VC FiftySix collections.

Good that AP is taking a risk though. This is clearly a departure from the RO and ROO lines. Personally I'm not sold but I hope AP does well selling it.

[RHIII]

I really like this collection - also really like the new in house flyback Chrono movement (which we have ALL be waiting for outside of the Concept collections)- and the fact that it was not released in a ROC (and I am a huge ROC fan). I think that was really a smart move on APs part.

More manufactures (IMO) should offer more modern references on leather straps. These references will ‘play’ more to the purist who doesn’t get caught up in all of the hype.

Bravo AP. Well done.


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[Bearxj86]

I meant when you decide on an offbrand or new design - you don't release 13 watches lol. Maybe 2-3 first.

My rating:
Case height = A
Case flanks = A+
Crystal = B+
Movement = B+
Dial = D-
Case size = C

However and unfortunately, dial is pretty important. Would have loved no-date, perhaps brueget numerals versus the panerai like enlarged 12, 3 , 6, 9. Perhaps it will grow on me.

My favorite is the simple 3 hander white dial rose gold.

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[Fat_ninja]

Im not sure how i feel about the new AP. I probably wont be buying one.

[cascavel]

This Nomos inspired watch line is doomed from the start. Usually, less expensive watch brands take their design inspiration from their luxury counterparts, but not here.

[Chiboy]

I think these look beautiful. From the back. I really, really don't care for the date at 4 o'clock. I guess that is true of any watch.

Seemed like the Hodinkee promo video showed the watches mainly from the back. Maybe deep down they know.

[tyler1980]

not sure why anyone wants a brand to make the exact same watches year in and year out. it's boring and repetitive. Id rather they release a totally different watch i dont like than another 42mm offshore that is the exact same as an existing watch, but now it has a ceramic bezel so its "different". Or more funky color divers or green bezel cammo strap offshore.

I do like the new line though

Its the exact reason i loved the fact Patek released the 5522 and 5524. It was not another redesign of a nautilus or an aquanaut or a dress watch.

[codecow]

On the plus side I think these will be available at a large discount for people who want them.

[turborolex]

It’s not appealing to me and I will not be buying one. I’m sure others will like it.

Even if I did want to buy one, I would NOT pay MSRP which I would have to, if I buy one from the boutique in NYC.

To be honest, I don’t think this new direction with AP Eliminating ADs and coming up with this new line is going to work well for them. Just my opinion.



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[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

not sure why anyone wants a brand to make the exact same watches year in and year out. it's boring. Id rather they release a totally different watch i dont like than another 42mm offshore that is the exact same as an existing watch, but now it has a ceramic bezel so its "different". I do like it though

Its the exact reason i loved the fact Patek released the 5522 and 5524. It was not another redesign of a nautilus or an aquanaut or a dress watch.

I think your point is valid...

My personal feel is that luxury brands tend to do well as the make evolutionary changes vs revolutionary changes. Look at bmw, audi and mercedes. It evolves from one gen to the next. Rarely do they do a revolutiknary change. It pushes away customers...

A shock and awe approach tends to be polaraizing and for watches at a high price point unveiling an entire line seems to be quite bold. Not sure how their product placement will be, id be surprised it will get the traction that RM has as its not as edgy.

Even for the patek pilot, its been somewhat polarizing. But it was not an entire line of watches. I like the pilot because it feels younger. Im not that old and I am not attracted to the GC like most people are. While i appreciate all the older pieces, its a little old for me.

Even the new ladies 24 line with the redesign isnt a brand new line per se.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by turborolex

It’s not appealing to me and I will not be buying one. I’m sure others will like it.

Even if I did want to buy one, I would NOT pay MSRP which I would have to, if I buy one from the boutique in NYC.

To be honest, I don’t think this new direction with AP Eliminating ADs and coming up with this new line is going to work well for them. Just my opinion.



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if its a replacement/alternative to the JA line which i suspect it is, it will probably do better than JA. Its not a RO or a ROO watch. I have actually never seen a JA once in any AD ever, so i think no one buys them at all.

A calatrava doesnt compete with an aquanaut. Both coexist fine.

[cascavel]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

not sure why anyone wants a brand to make the exact same watches year in and year out. it's boring and repetitive. Id rather they release a totally different watch i dont like than another 42mm offshore that is the exact same as an existing watch, but now it has a ceramic bezel so its "different". Or more funky color divers or green bezel cammo strap offshore.

I do like the new line though

Its the exact reason i loved the fact Patek released the 5522 and 5524. It was not another redesign of a nautilus or an aquanaut or a dress watch.

Patek did it much smarter. They released one watch, the 5524, a toe in the water, if you will, and then added the 5522 a few years later. This new Audemars line, which too six years to develop, will be it from Audemars for the foreseeable future. The most we can look forward to is the inevitable stainless steel version once sales of the PMs are exhausted. Which shouldn't take long.

[Peterandwatches]

Trying something new is to be applauded, and the side view looks fantastic. And with that, I have nothing kind left to say.

[benlee]

It's likely these 2000 pieces will be boutique exclusive and hence no discount.

[turborolex]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

if its a replacement/alternative to the JA line which i suspect it is, it will probably do better than JA. Its not a RO or a ROO watch. I have actually never seen a JA once in any AD ever, so i think no one buys them at all.

A calatrava doesnt compete with an aquanaut. Both coexist fine.

It probably is a replacement for the JA line, which was not popular at all.

The design itself it not appealing to me.

It will coexist with the rest of the RO and ROO, but I don’t think it will be a hit...they could have done better with the dials and layout IMO.




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[JJ WA]

15202ST is and will continue to be by far the nicest AP. Apart from it, imho, the AP lines compare as follows:

RO>>ROO>>>>CODE11.59>>>>>>>>>>>Millenary and JA.

(‘RO’ above means the rest of the RO family without the Jumbo, otherwise there wouldn’t be > enough to put here).

[yoast]

i like the case and new movements (long overdue) but the dial is executed extremely poorly. - Too much dead space, date at 4:30, logo too large, ugly hands and numerals... etc etc
These will tank for sure

[ap1]

Originally Posted by codecow

On the plus side I think these will be available at a large discount for people who want them.

, same

[tom2517]

Not sure how this new line will do, clearly AP wants to get away from relying on RO and ROO and their current classic line doesn’t sell, we will see....

[AK797]

Some nice touches, lugs and inhouse cal and PR, but overall a bit of a Code Red.

[The Argonaut]

Originally Posted by yoast

i like the case and new movements (long overdue) but the dial is executed extremely poorly. - Too much dead space, date at 4:30, logo too large, ugly hands and numerals... etc etc
These will tank for sure

Absolutely. I watched the Hodinkee video this morning, and really was intrigued with what they've done... until I saw the dials. The movements look great, the cases are quite unique, sizing is appropriate, and then one sees some of the blandest dials ever and look too much like much cheaper brands. I applaud them trying to move forward, but these dials look like they were designed by a committee of MBA students. As for the title, "Code 11:59," what the hell is that?

[The Argonaut]

Originally Posted by AK797

Some nice touches, lugs and inhouse cal and PR, but overall a bit of a Code Red.

Brilliant. The new "Code Red" from AP.

[danestaff]

Hence why in the thread new Aquanaut 2019 is please don't do an AP, less is more

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[soundserious]

Savagely bad. Who would walk into a boutique and buy one of these? I’d like to meet that person and shake their hand for doing their part to save the Swiss watch industry from themselves.

[wisguy]

Love the case and the movements.

Hate the name, size and dials.

Maybe in the future a new dial can help the line.

Unfortunately the time only looks like a dressed up Polaris and the chrono looks like anything from a fashion brand, Micheal Kors come to mind.

But there’s hope, the basics are there from which to build upon.

In the mean time can I ask for a 39mm Royal Oak Chrono with the new movement?

[The Argonaut]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

Im not sure how i feel about the new AP. I probably wont be buying one.

And that's the point. The watch should elicit a reaction, not a question mark.

[Fat_ninja]

Someone’s going to get fired...

[Sonzy]

Originally Posted by bearxj86

I meant when you decide on an offbrand or new design - you don't release 13 watches lol. Maybe 2-3 first.

My rating:
Case height = A
Case flanks = A+
Crystal = B+
Movement = B+
Dial = D-
Case size = C

However and unfortunately, dial is pretty important. Would have loved no-date, perhaps brueget numerals versus the panerai like enlarged 12, 3 , 6, 9. Perhaps it will grow on me.

My favorite is the simple 3 hander white dial rose gold.

I can’t agree more.

I’m never in favor of this dial between the bazel and the main dial it always looked cheep to me “BREITLING”, also I didn’t like the numeralsof “Chopard Mille Miglia”. Regarding the size I prefer smaller sizes.
The best part is the side view, and this new caliber with 70hr @ 4Mhz.

Maybe it will grow over me by time, but now or soon I don’t think I’ll buy it at all.