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Old 16 June 2019, 07:07 AM   #1
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<<< help my friend with this please >>>

A friend of ours is on a crusie ship with his family and he's looking at buying the "Rolex" as pictured below.

Sorry for the horrible photos its all i have to work with.

A few red flags for me:

1. The watch is decribed as a 38mm DJ from model year 1993 ... ive not heard of this size.

2. Replacement crystal non Rolex ....

3. Seller states they dont guarantee authenticity.

They have it listed at $7950 usf and my friend says he negotiated down to $6060.

Im telling him not to buy but he really rhinks its a good "deal"

Please offer your comments and if anyone is familiar with this reference number etc.

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Old 16 June 2019, 07:11 AM   #2
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So one blurry photo... one photo of a card which means nothing and one photo of a watch with a huge stretched bracelet... how can someone help here???


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Old 16 June 2019, 07:18 AM   #3
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So one blurry photo... one photo of a card which means nothing and one photo of a watch with a huge stretched bracelet... how can someone help here???


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Like I said it’s all I have to work with ...

If you have anything constructive to add say like whether the reference number on the model or bracelet makes sense, great, if not please move on
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Old 16 June 2019, 07:24 AM   #4
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I don’t like the cyclops mag but the watch looks okay? (No expert here) Hard to tell. For that kind of money I’d wait.
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Old 16 June 2019, 07:39 AM   #5
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It's hard to tell a lot from the pictures Brian. But there's no way a 1993 dial should say swiss made as that one does. A lot of bracelet stretch for a watch new enough to say swiss made. And mag is suspicious.

I'd advise your friend to pass on this one.
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Old 16 June 2019, 07:54 AM   #6
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I'll never understand people. Buying something they know next to nothing about spending that kind of money.

Reference 16234 is 38mm when measured with the crown (it's actually a 36mm). There happens to be one exactly like it, same year model and all, on Chrono24 for $4450. With an original crystal. And it says "Swiss Made" on that one as well.

Your friend likes to throw money out the window with his impulsivity.
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Old 16 June 2019, 08:00 AM   #7
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I'll never understand people. Buying something they know next to nothing about spending that kind of money.

Reference 16234 is 38mm when measured with the crown (it's actually a 36mm). There happens to be one exactly like it, same year model and all, on Chrono24 for $4450. With an original crystal. And it says "Swiss Made" on that one as well.

Your friend likes to throw money out the window with his impulsivity.
Redial? I've never seen one before 2000 with swiss made.
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Old 16 June 2019, 08:05 AM   #8
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It's hard to tell a lot from the pictures Brian. But there's no way a 1993 dial should say swiss made as that one does. A lot of bracelet stretch for a watch new enough to say swiss made. And mag is suspicious.

I'd advise your friend to pass on this one.
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I'll never understand people. Buying something they know next to nothing about spending that kind of money.

Reference 16234 is 38mm when measured with the crown (it's actually a 36mm). There happens to be one exactly like it, same year model and all, on Chrono24 for $4450. With an original crystal. And it says "Swiss Made" on that one as well.

Your friend likes to throw money out the window with his impulsivity.
Thanks for the thoughtful replies guys ... I’m curious as to the dial. I believe he said they “refurbished it” in March. Is it possible the dial is not genuine?
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Redial? I've never seen one before 2000 with swiss made.
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I believe he said they “refurbished it” in March. Is it possible the dial is not genuine?
I'm by no means an expert. One will soon comment, I'm sure. But all the 16234's for 1992-1994 I see on Chrono24 say Swiss Made. What's throwing me off is that some say "Swiss Made" and others say "T Swiss Made T". I think, and I may be wrong, it ought to say "T Swiss Made T" on that dial configuration for that year. I wouldn't touch it. Too much going on. Why gamble? He could get that piece cheaper and with less concern elsewhere.
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Thanks for the thoughtful replies guys ... I’m curious as to the dial. I believe he said they “refurbished it” in March. Is it possible the dial is not genuine?
A refurbished Rolex dial is still a Rolex dial.
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I'm by no means an expert. One will soon comment, I'm sure. But all the 16234's I see on Chrono24 say Swiss Made. What's throwing me off is that some say "Swiss Made" and others say "T Swiss Made T". I think, and I may be wrong, it ought to say "T Swiss Made T" on that dial configuration for that year. I wouldn't touch it. Too much going on. Why gamble? He could get that piece cheaper and with less concern elsewhere.
It should be tritium that year, which requires a "T" designation. Even if the dial has no lume, the hands are lumed, which would require the tritium designation.

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Old 16 June 2019, 08:19 AM   #12
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I'm by no means an expert. One will soon comment, I'm sure. But all the 16234's for 1992-1994 I see on Chrono24 say Swiss Made. What's throwing me off is that some say "Swiss Made" and others say "T Swiss Made T". I think, and I may be wrong, it ought to say "T Swiss Made T" on that dial configuration for that year. I wouldn't touch it. Too much going on. Why gamble? He could get that piece cheaper and with less concern elsewhere.
Thanks very much and I agree, there’s a lot going on with this one. Thanks as well for the chrono24 assessment
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Old 16 June 2019, 08:20 AM   #13
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A refurbished Rolex dial is still a Rolex dial.
Thank you my friend, I’m learning a lot here and appreciate your advice. I’ll be passing these comments on to my friend and advise him not to pusue
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Old 16 June 2019, 08:22 AM   #14
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Thank you my friend, I’m learning a lot here and appreciate your advice. I’ll be passing these comments on to my friend and advise him not to pusue
Take a look at the link above from Larry (Tools). It's a great tutorial on lume dates.
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Old 16 June 2019, 08:25 AM   #15
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Irrespective of how suspicious the watch looks, I’ve been on a Royal Caribbean ship and all the jewellery, in particular the watches and especially the Rolex were horribly, vastly overpriced versus what could easily be achieved on dry land. The negotiation has probably brought the watch down to an average deal from the rip-off the sticker price was.

I would also never trust a salesman whose head was nearly as large as his torso and one who is unable to knot a tie properly.
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Old 16 June 2019, 08:32 AM   #16
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I would also never trust a salesman whose head was nearly as large as his torso and one who is unable to knot a tie properly.
You think the wedding ring is fake, too?
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Watch is priced double of what it should be...
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Old 16 June 2019, 09:21 AM   #18
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Take a look at the link above from Larry (Tools). It's a great tutorial on lume dates.
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Irrespective of how suspicious the watch looks, I’ve been on a Royal Caribbean ship and all the jewellery, in particular the watches and especially the Rolex were horribly, vastly overpriced versus what could easily be achieved on dry land. The negotiation has probably brought the watch down to an average deal from the rip-off the sticker price was.

I would also never trust a salesman whose head was nearly as large as his torso and one who is unable to knot a tie properly.
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Old 16 June 2019, 06:04 PM   #20
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Older Datejust with service/replacement dial. Nothing suspicious, nothing terrible as it’s not a SS Sports model where dial is of the utmost importance. But, absolutely overpriced.
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Pass imho too expensive eitherway and Refurbished dial


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Older Datejust with service/replacement dial. Nothing suspicious, nothing terrible as it’s not a SS Sports model where dial is of the utmost importance. But, absolutely overpriced.
Thank you very much for looking at this and for your comments, appreciated
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Old 16 June 2019, 07:08 PM   #23
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I reached out to my friend and he passed.

He thanks you all
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Old 17 June 2019, 12:44 AM   #25
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These watch and jewelry sellers on cruise ships know folks have money in their pockets and many are impulsive buyers. Your friend was smart to pass. Especially with no authenticity guarantee on that watch. Why get burned? There are so many safer places to buy
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These watch and jewelry sellers on cruise ships know folks have money in their pockets and many are impulsive buyers. Your friend was smart to pass. Especially with no authenticity guarantee on that watch. Why get burned? There are so many safer places to buy
Agreed and thanks to all who replied with constructive feedback on this.
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Wow....$6800 for THAT? Even if it was genuine...what are they thinking???
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