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cervantes · 1 May 2015, 09:50 PM

Hey all,

I could use some feedback.

A few weeks ago I posted about a potential Grand Lange 1 moon phase purchase. I was debating between the JLC Ultra thin Perpetual and the 5396. I ended up passing on the JLC and found the 5396 too similar to my 5726. So the Lange was the one for the picking. But there are two other watches from independents that I also like and all three are in the same price bracket.

The FP Journe Chronometre Souverain 40mm in RG with the new gold dial. And the Laurent Ferrier Galet Micro-Rotor with Breuget Numerals (also 40mm).

So we've got the Lange in RG vs. the FPJ in RG vs. the LF in WG.
(Disclaimer: I own a FPJ CB so perhaps the dial layout of the Journe is too similar. And whiles I really love the workmanship and design of the Ferrier I am a little weary of spending this amount on a new brand with an unknown future. I also haven't seen a LF owner not here forums yet).

Thanks in advance... (some pics are from the internet).

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fmc000 · 1 May 2015, 10:01 PM

It's hard for me to say "no" to a FPJ but you already have one, so my vote goes to ALS. LF it's just too classic for my personal taste.

kilyung · 1 May 2015, 10:11 PM

Why not a cheap Patek?

cervantes · 1 May 2015, 10:16 PM

Yes, was on my mind too. I was looking for a classy 3 hander but one with a little flair. That Calatrava is a beauty, but at that price I'd be sorely tempted to go for an AC.
Am I crazy for desiring an independent like Journe or Ferrier? The smart money says stick with Patek or Lange but Journe's designs are enchanting and the Ferrier movement and dial is plain gorgeous.

cervantes · 1 May 2015, 10:27 PM

Some more pics of the LF. Classic yes, but not heavy or too grand.

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capote · 1 May 2015, 10:32 PM

Can't beat that LF!

cervantes · 1 May 2015, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by capote

Can't beat that LF!

jjnd08 · 1 May 2015, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

Why not a cheap Patek?

"Cheap" and "Patek" do not belong in the same sentence!

The ALS gets my vote, I love the unique layout of the moon phase. LF gets my second choice vote. While I think FPJ does fantastic work, and their finishings are superb, I am just not a fan of their designs.

HL65 · 1 May 2015, 11:46 PM

As an owner of the platinum Grand Lange 1 MP I say you will love RG one. Jsut a perfectly balanced and beautiful watch! The LF is a stunner to but clearly a totally different look.

PJ S · 1 May 2015, 11:47 PM

You've got to give the independents a chance, and as you already have an FPJ, then the LF it is.
However, just to throw a bit of a spanner in the works, what about an H Moser & Cie?
As much as PP is rightly revered, they're not the only ones sitting at the top of the tree – ALS, GO, and Moser are all up there too.

cervantes · 1 May 2015, 11:52 PM

Funny you should mention the Moser. I enquired about the black titanium perpetual and quite liked it. But I'm not sure I wouldn't get bored of the all black look quickly. The movement didn't seem as well finished as the LF or Journe. Here is a pic:

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cervantes · 1 May 2015, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by HL65

As an owner of the platinum Grand Lange 1 MP I say you will love RG one. Jsut a perfectly balanced and beautiful watch! The LF is a stunner to but clearly a totally different look.

I saw your MP in the Lange thread and it is indeed beautiful. I think the RG has a slightly different feel - a bit more charming and sparkly but perhaps not quite as potent. Both looked excellent to me and the finish of the dial was really something special. I guess it just comes down to the asymmetry and whether the novelty and uniqueness of it (for me) would continue to capture my imagination. Asymmetry is a funny thing - it can draw you in and yet repel you at the same time...

marshall b · 2 May 2015, 12:05 AM

A rose gold LF is close to perfection in my book.

GB-man · 2 May 2015, 12:09 AM

I voted ALS but it sounds like you want the LF. Go for it. It's very beautful

yjfang · 2 May 2015, 12:58 AM

LF, ALS, then FPJ.

cervantes · 2 May 2015, 01:08 AM

The LF that I like with the breuget numerals and opaline dial only comes in white gold. The price is also considerably higher than the Journe (they left that part out!).

malarky_hk · 2 May 2015, 01:19 AM

I voted Laurent Ferrier but would opt for the RG with the chocolate dial. Just absolutely drop dead stunning.

cervantes · 2 May 2015, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by malarky_hk

I voted Laurent Ferrier but would opt for the RG with the chocolate dial. Just absolutely drop dead stunning.

That is stunning. But it's difficult to get now and also even more expensive than the numerals version. LF prices are through the roof now.

malarky_hk · 2 May 2015, 02:12 AM

You're right, I recall reading that the RG versions are limited editions. Not sure what the price difference is but its just lovely.

HL65 · 2 May 2015, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by malarky_hk

I voted Laurent Ferrier but would opt for the RG with the chocolate dial. Just absolutely drop dead stunning.

texex91 · 2 May 2015, 02:38 AM

I love the Ferrier but the new Galet Square (blue dial is just yummy)!

Vaxe · 2 May 2015, 09:44 AM

I'm a bit surprised the LF received more votes than the Lange 1. 7-3.

AK797 · 2 May 2015, 10:54 AM

Lange for me.

kilyung · 2 May 2015, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by malarky_hk

I voted Laurent Ferrier but would opt for the RG with the chocolate dial. Just absolutely drop dead stunning.

Winner!!!

busytimmy · 2 May 2015, 11:51 AM

In platinum I'd take the G Lange MP, but in RG I'd have the LF. Chocolate dial please.

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jjnd08 · 2 May 2015, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by malarky_hk

I voted Laurent Ferrier but would opt for the RG with the chocolate dial. Just absolutely drop dead stunning.

Wow! What a beauty!

tinygears · 2 May 2015, 12:12 PM

This may be an inappropriate question, but while I respect the Journe pieces and love the LF's, are these not entities run by a single heartbeat?

What happens to value if production ceases, and where does one go for service?

That said, funds permitting, would I love to own the rg Ferrier imaged above?

Absolutely.

thomaspp · 2 May 2015, 12:23 PM

Lange. Why not a datograph, time zone or even 1815 up down? Just asking as those would be my pics.good luck.

malarky_hk · 2 May 2015, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tinygears

This may be an inappropriate question, but while I respect the Journe pieces and love the LF's, are these not entities run by a single heartbeat?

What happens to value if production ceases, and where does one go for service?

That said, funds permitting, would I love to own the rg Ferrier imaged above?

Absolutely.

I wouldn't be worried about this eventuality. When the time comes, I'm sure one of the big groups will take over and carry on.

PJ S · 2 May 2015, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cervantes

Funny you should mention the Moser. I enquired about the black titanium perpetual and quite liked it. But I'm not sure I wouldn't get bored of the all black look quickly. The movement didn't seem as well finished as the LF or Journe.

Just to further compound your indecision, another option I'd forgotten about - Parmigiani Fleurier.
You can have a plain 3-hander or multiple complications like retrograde date, hemispheres moonphase, etc.
Very interesting case/lug design too, so a bit novel and different from the typical status quo.

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f30/fs-...A-1861290.html
http://forums.watchnet.com/index.php...o=706856&rid=0
http://forums.watchnet.com/index.php...o=719232&rid=0

View Poll Results: Lange vs. Two Independents
Grand Lange 1 Moonphase RG	37	48.05%
Laurent Ferrier Galet Micro-rotor WG	20	25.97%
F.P. Journe Chronometre Souverain RG	20	25.97%
Voters: 77. You may not vote on this poll

1 May 2015, 09:50 PM	#1
cervantes "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Real Name: Jay Location: East and West Posts: 1,894	Lange vs. Two Independents Hey all, I could use some feedback. A few weeks ago I posted about a potential Grand Lange 1 moon phase purchase. I was debating between the JLC Ultra thin Perpetual and the 5396. I ended up passing on the JLC and found the 5396 too similar to my 5726. So the Lange was the one for the picking. But there are two other watches from independents that I also like and all three are in the same price bracket. The FP Journe Chronometre Souverain 40mm in RG with the new gold dial. And the Laurent Ferrier Galet Micro-Rotor with Breuget Numerals (also 40mm). So we've got the Lange in RG vs. the FPJ in RG vs. the LF in WG. (Disclaimer: I own a FPJ CB so perhaps the dial layout of the Journe is too similar. And whiles I really love the workmanship and design of the Ferrier I am a little weary of spending this amount on a new brand with an unknown future. I also haven't seen a LF owner not here forums yet). Thanks in advance... (some pics are from the internet). 5de96cadb20ef76bb138eefe8aa41f06.jpg 8ec3ed9b6863c06bdcf9044353b67a33.jpg d9587c1ac4a54b16e3fd9af36fa88abe.jpg e98d06b7b0b45769580c9c9be7ea44f0.jpg IMG_0445.jpg

1 May 2015, 11:46 PM	#9
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,472	As an owner of the platinum Grand Lange 1 MP I say you will love RG one. Jsut a perfectly balanced and beautiful watch! The LF is a stunner to but clearly a totally different look. __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

2 May 2015, 11:51 AM	#25
busytimmy "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Sydney, Australia Watch: ing the detectives Posts: 3,745	Lange vs. Two Independents In platinum I'd take the G Lange MP, but in RG I'd have the LF. Chocolate dial please. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

2 May 2015, 12:23 PM	#28
thomaspp "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 11,136	Lange. Why not a datograph, time zone or even 1815 up down? Just asking as those would be my pics.good luck. __________________ Instagram: @watches_anonymous

1 May 2015, 10:01 PM	#2
fmc000 Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Fabio Location: Como - Italy Posts: 4,811	It's hard for me to say "no" to a FPJ but you already have one, so my vote goes to ALS. LF it's just too classic for my personal taste.

1 May 2015, 10:11 PM	#3
kilyung 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,873	Why not a cheap Patek?

1 May 2015, 10:16 PM	#4
cervantes "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Real Name: Jay Location: East and West Posts: 1,894	Yes, was on my mind too. I was looking for a classy 3 hander but one with a little flair. That Calatrava is a beauty, but at that price I'd be sorely tempted to go for an AC. Am I crazy for desiring an independent like Journe or Ferrier? The smart money says stick with Patek or Lange but Journe's designs are enchanting and the Ferrier movement and dial is plain gorgeous.

1 May 2015, 10:27 PM	#5
cervantes "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Real Name: Jay Location: East and West Posts: 1,894	Some more pics of the LF. Classic yes, but not heavy or too grand. IMG_1076.jpg IMG_1077.jpg IMG_1079.jpg

1 May 2015, 10:32 PM	#6
capote "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Real Name: Daniel Location: Sweden Watch: 16570 Posts: 7,315	Can't beat that LF!

1 May 2015, 11:47 PM	#10
PJ S Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: UK Posts: 3,990	You've got to give the independents a chance, and as you already have an FPJ, then the LF it is. However, just to throw a bit of a spanner in the works, what about an H Moser & Cie? As much as PP is rightly revered, they're not the only ones sitting at the top of the tree – ALS, GO, and Moser are all up there too.

1 May 2015, 11:52 PM	#11
cervantes "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Real Name: Jay Location: East and West Posts: 1,894	Funny you should mention the Moser. I enquired about the black titanium perpetual and quite liked it. But I'm not sure I wouldn't get bored of the all black look quickly. The movement didn't seem as well finished as the LF or Journe. Here is a pic: IMG_1188.jpg

2 May 2015, 12:05 AM	#13
marshall b "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: nyc Posts: 5	A rose gold LF is close to perfection in my book.

2 May 2015, 12:09 AM	#14
GB-man 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 36,905	I voted ALS but it sounds like you want the LF. Go for it. It's very beautful

2 May 2015, 12:58 AM	#15
yjfang "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: JF Location: Los Angeles Watch: Rolex Sub 1680 Posts: 1,426	LF, ALS, then FPJ.

2 May 2015, 01:08 AM	#16
cervantes "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Real Name: Jay Location: East and West Posts: 1,894	The LF that I like with the breuget numerals and opaline dial only comes in white gold. The price is also considerably higher than the Journe (they left that part out!).

2 May 2015, 01:19 AM	#17
malarky_hk "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: ... Watch: Rolex Posts: 4,466	I voted Laurent Ferrier but would opt for the RG with the chocolate dial. Just absolutely drop dead stunning.

2 May 2015, 02:12 AM	#19
malarky_hk "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: ... Watch: Rolex Posts: 4,466	You're right, I recall reading that the RG versions are limited editions. Not sure what the price difference is but its just lovely.

2 May 2015, 02:38 AM	#21
texex91 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: . Posts: 17,898	I love the Ferrier but the new Galet Square (blue dial is just yummy)!

2 May 2015, 09:44 AM	#22
Vaxe "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Austin TX Posts: 2,122	I'm a bit surprised the LF received more votes than the Lange 1. 7-3.

2 May 2015, 10:54 AM	#23
AK797 Banned Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,278	Lange for me.

2 May 2015, 12:12 PM	#27
tinygears "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: LA Posts: 140	This may be an inappropriate question, but while I respect the Journe pieces and love the LF's, are these not entities run by a single heartbeat? What happens to value if production ceases, and where does one go for service? That said, funds permitting, would I love to own the rg Ferrier imaged above? Absolutely.

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